/robowaifu/ - DIY Robot Wives

Any word on what's happening?

>>58
A 502 is a long-standing issue w/ Lynxchan, is related to mongoloid mongo db running out of storage space, AFAICT. Typically whenever this happened in the past, Robi usually has the issue resolved in a few hours.

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Ngl, I'm getting kinda nervous. But I won't panic.

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>>60
Lol. Chillax bro, robowaifus are an idea, not a board! We'll be fine. Besides, everyone knows how to find us in the webring, and the search engines do too.  :^)

>>61
>robowaifus are an idea, not a board!
Very true!

>and the search engines do too.  :^)
That's one thing I was concerned about, search engine findability. Good that its not really a problem.

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The 502's been going on for a while.
I still haven't gotten around to figuring out the dependencies for BUMP, but I did make a backup of the board with wget after the last scare.
It's not a perfect backup by any means, but it does have all the text I think, I have to select each html file individually to see in the browser and I didn't check everything, the CSS, and the thumbnails.

If necessary, I can wrap the whole thing into a tarball and upload it, though it will be a couple months old.

I really hope it doesn't come down to it, though.
I'm tired of migrating between IBs, and I'm tired of losing people every single time it happens.

>>78
>The 502's been going on for a while.
Yes it has. IIRC, the last time it went this long was during the Julay-era, when Robi's place was well on it's way to becoming the direct-successor to 8ch.
>Who knows? Maybe the Mongolians have suddenly whisked Robi off to Ulaanbaatar, where they are all in sekrit negotiations to establish him as the reigning sovereign over the nation!?  :D

>I still haven't gotten around to figuring out the dependencies for BUMP
My apologies for this being a challenge for everyone, apparently. I'll try to help you work through that if you'd care to together.

>but I did make a backup of the board with wget after the last scare.
>It's not a perfect backup by any means, but it does have all the text I think, I have to select each html file individually to see in the browser and I didn't check everything, the CSS, and the thumbnails.
Nice! Yes, wget or cURL are both good options as well. The primary benefit of BUMP (over literally all the other choices, AFAICT) is that I intentionally designed it to keep all the media files in a separate directory under each parent thread -- with each file named as originally posted -- so that mere humans/scripting can come at them all easily after the fact right through the filesystem. Everything else mimics the server's actual structure, which simply dumps them all into a single yuge filepile directory, and each named by filehash. Uggh.  :P

>If necessary, I can wrap the whole thing into a tarball and upload it, though it will be a couple months old.
I don't think that will be necessary, but making plans to do so would be a good 'dry run' on your part IMHO.

I have a current BUMP archive of the board, from about 24hrs before (give or take) when I first noticed the 502. So maybe a handful of posts missing? And I also saved the Index page post-hoc out of a Brave tab, so we should be able to retrieve the text (only) of most if not all of those.

>I really hope it doesn't come down to it, though.
This. Hopefully Robi will appoint a special cabinet minister to handle Alogs, offloading it from his busy Presidential Schedule, and things will be back to normal soon!  :D
>I'm tired of migrating between IBs, and I'm tired of losing people every single time it happens.
Please just relax old fren. The burden for this isn't on your shoulders this time around. But, we covet your prayers that it will all work out well... plus, any words of wisdom you might have for us all, should things necessitate a migration somewhere. Cheers, Greentext anon!  :^)

Alogs.Space is down

What happened?
The primary data storage for alogs.space, which is a block storage device separate from the main VPS, is currently disconnected. The cause is unknown. I am currently away from home, so I can't allocate too much time to this.

What's the status?
I am communicating with the hosting service to see what's happening, and they're aware of the issue. No ETA on when the issue will be resolved.

Is there data loss?
If it's a simple mishap and the drive is reconnected, then there should be no data loss.

If the storage device is lost, I have already made a backup of the latest text data, so there will be no posts lost (+/- the last 4 hours). We have a full backup of the image data from about 20 days ago, so for images, the month of March may be lost.

Is user data safe?
All alogs.space content, including posts, images and IP addresses are stored at-rest with full disk encryption. Even if someone tried to access the data in the block storage device, they would not be able to do so without the decryption keys, which are also stored encrypted with a key that I must enter manually.

https://alogs.space/oops/

>>89
Mostly good news!

>>90
Yes, it seems so Anon. Patience, every'non.

I'm still going to make a few more threads while I wait. If alogs does go down permanently, we would have a base to build on. I also will heavily promote other creators to make threads on here.

I hope alogs doesn't go down permanently.  I used the cyborg and artificial womb threads as storage for some of my favorite research articles.  I really should have book marked all of those.

>>94
If they were links, they're in my archive >>54

>>95
Appreciate it.

>>89
Doesn't seem too bad, hopefully it gets sorted out in due time.

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>>80
>My apologies for this being a challenge for everyone
Don't worry too much about it.
Though dependencies are always annoying to sort out manually, the main issue on my end is lack of time and energy.
In short, I've fostered what may be the first buds of a social life shortly before my job decided to give me a shittier hour spread with a dusting of extra overtime.
So, yeah, that all amounts to more hours down the drain. At least I enjoy the little time I spend with these new acquaintances.

I honestly don't know how normalfags do it.
There's so much to juggle, so little time, and most people have more shit to keep track of than me.
It makes me wonder how society functions at all at this point.

On the bright side, the increased levels of suffering have lead to me write more again.
Pen and paper never fail me, and I can (and often do) rely on them more often the worse I'm feeling.
For all of you, that means more half-completed stories that are now back on the main burner and on-track to completion, with more new ideas to follow.
No promises though, inspiration's a fickle bitch.

>>61
Bing and DuckDuckGo find it. Google avoids indexing altchans. Perplexity and OpenAI refuse to give an answer. Grok tries, but doesn't find it.

So any word when things will be back online?

Work while it is still day.

>>93
That's fine, GreerTech. Thanks!

>>94
Hi Ribose, better save them then when we're back online at Alogs. Just r-click+'Save as' the entire pages to your local drive if nothing else. (Ofc I recommend BUMP first & foremost, since it was literally designed to save all of /robowaifu/ ).

>>99
Hi Gears, yes I doubt it will be very long in the grand scheme of things.

>>111
>In short, I've fostered what may be the first buds of a social life 
Neat!

>Pen and paper never fail me, and I can (and often do) rely on them more often the worse I'm feeling.
>For all of you, that means more half-completed stories that are now back on the main burner and on-track to completion, with more new ideas to follow.
Looking forward to it, Greentext.

>>112
Hi CyberPonk, thanks for the update!

>Google avoids indexing altchans.
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Heh, you can bet they index us, they simply don't want normalfags to discover us b/c ((( reasons ))).  :D

Anyway, I've become convinced of the old adage:
> 'Where there's a will, there's a way.'
Anons who really care to will eventually find /robowaifu/ regardless.

>>113
No, Robi himself doesn't know ATM, as he indicated. My instinct is that whenever a tech walks into the server cage and checks the connector/power-supply, it should be up shortly afterwards. Hopefully. Otherwise, it will need to be restored again from backups when Robi returns from travels.

>tl;dr
Please be patient, every'non. Try to remember that Robi does this for us all at his own expense (BTW, the same as most other altchan Admins, like Trashmin). Let's extend graciousness & gratitude to him for his charity & support towards us especially (/robowaifu/ is currently by far the biggest single board expense to his server costs!) Robi himself is hopeful & inquisitive regarding the future prospects for robowaifus, AFAICT.

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Cheers, Anons.  :^)

>>114
>you can bet they index us, they simply don't want normalfags to discover us b/c (((  reasons  )))
Heh. Fair point.

It looks like Google does display a lot of altchans. It just has an issue with trashchan for some reason. And it turns out ChatGPT refused to give the location of "robowaifu" because it thought that was an actual person. (If only...) After clarifying that it's an imageboard, it does suggest trashchan. Claude is still fucked, but you can argue with it until it suggest altchans, none of which were actually relevant.

And yeah, anyone interested should be able to find robowaifu wherever it goes, even if the search engines and chatbots fail to link here. The backups contain mentions of trashchan as a bunker board. Even if you don't have a backup downloaded, it's easy to find the one on catbox through search. All of the webring boards link here. It's easy to find archived pages of robowaifu threads that link to a webring board.

>>117
Great! That's further encouragement, CyberPonk. I think Anons could increase the likelihood of curious Joe Sixpacks stumbling onto us simply by linking in the comments of YT videos (while we still can do so, lol!  :D, etc., anywhere it's appropriately on-topic to do so.

It (ie, the idea of robowaifus) is already a cultural phenomenon now -- it's in the mainstream """consciousness""" (and you can bet the GH doesn't want that, so its been in spite of them) now. Even if a (future) Anon struck out on his own towards devising his robowaifu, I think it's very-likely he will eventually stumble onto altchans, and then /robowaifu/ . Kind of inevitable, IMO.

And this is why I urge Anons to a) chillax about little hiccups like this, and b) spread teh le heck out!111 and create all kinds of robowaifu content, interlinking among us. This will make us both harder to squelch by TPTB, and more-discoverable simultaneously. Cheers, Anon.

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>>114
>My instinct is that whenever a tech walks into the server cage and checks the connector/power-supply, it should be up shortly afterwards.

POV: you're fixing alogs

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>>114
Thanks for keeping us updated. 
My 2cents is, simply keep moving forward. Don't stop, the main board will always return. Be patient and focused on what you can do, while you can do it.

I'm refining her chest. Lost a computer and just picked up with what I could. If we keep moving, it doesn't matter if we lose anything, or even everything. We have refined our abilities through constant efforts that will overcome. At this point, I believe that we have God on our side. 

Keep your printers ready, they'll be printing cat grills in due time.

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>>121
Here's what I have downloaded from when you shared your files before
https://files.catbox.moe/y9dori.zip

>My 2cents is, simply keep moving forward. Don't stop, the main board will always return. Be patient and focused on what you can do, while you can do it.
Agreed. When the main board returns, I'll simply post what I have here, there

>At this point, I believe that we have God on our side.
Amen

>Keep your printers ready, they'll be printing cat grills in due time.
Pic related

>>119
>POV: you're fixing alogs
Hah!  :D
Internet Server Cage Fights 5:
This time its Srs Bznz Edition

>>121
Looking nice, Kiwi! Y/w, fren.

>Be patient and focused on what you can do, while you can do it.
>If we keep moving, it doesn't matter if we lose anything, or even everything. We have refined our abilities through constant efforts that will overcome.
These are sound words of wisdom, Anon. Thanks! Overcoming during hardships brings a man mastery in both traditions & skills.

>At this point, I believe that we have God on our side.
God made each of us for a purpose, and our own unique race to run during this life. [1][2]

I'm personally of the strong opinion that for /robowaifu/ regulars, at least one of those purposes for each of us is helping to bring pleasing & effective robowaifus into the here & now, for the benefit of all mankind. *  Let us here each stay focused on that goal & that prize set before us individually. For me specifically, its helping to save men around the world plagued by the ills of feminism (and indeed the world itself from those same ills ultimately). For other Anons, it may well be a different set of goals or agendas.

Regardless, I think we can all be in general agreement and all work towards this common, grand endeavor of ours with a good will together. Forward!!  :^)

TWAGMI

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1.  "God made me fast. And when I run, I feel His pleasure."
-t. Eric Liddell (the subject of the movie Chariots of Fire)
cf.  https://ericgeiger.com/2014/03/17/i-feel-gods-pleasure-when-i-blank/

2.  "Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off every encumbrance and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with endurance the race set out for us."
https://biblehub.com/hebrews/12-1.htm  (BSB)

*  Kind of makes me wonder what the great Henry Ford thought about the Lord's pleasure in his life's work? Surely he had a profound & important impact on the world after him.

>>123
Amen

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>>122
>Link
Thanks fren
>Picrel
I've made a version of the body that's straightened out and slightly improved. Feel free to modify it into a new variant of your catgrill. Either way, you're appreciated mate.
https://files.catbox.moe/60l8lb.obj
>>123
Well said, working towards common goals is something we should strive for. I encourage everyone to offer whatever they can to help each other.

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>>111
I figured you'd have a sensible chuckle at this magtape pic Anon posted over on /late/, Greentext anon:
>>>/late/3114

>>125
>>149
Thanks, Anons!
TWAGMI

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It feels almost surreal to see Chobitsu posting images again.

>>151
That got a smile out of me.
It's a wonder that WordPerfect isn't around anymore, it was the standard for ages.
Then again, if it was here today it'd probably be WordPerfect365 and cost $200/year.

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>>152
>It feels almost surreal to see Chobitsu posting images again.
IKR
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Now I can trash the place up with my pictorial inanities again!  :DD
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I'll try to press Robi into making special provisions for /robowaifu/ (once we're back online) to allow Grommet & myself to funpost with pics again. Cheers.  :^)

>>149
Thank you!

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New isekai trash (I’m the Evil Lord of an Intergalactic Empire!) has a bodacious robowaifu that's just a women with a robot brain. She's quite the looker, and completely subservient and demure. 

She also follows the three laws of maid robotics.

(1) A robot maid may not injure her master or, through inaction, allow her master to come to harm.
(2) A robot maid must obey the orders given by her master except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
(3) A robot maid must protect her own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

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>>166
Lol.
That's pure evil, Anon.  :D

>>166
Interesting. I'll definitely check it out, because I love sci-fi, and a sci-fi isekai is right up my alley.

The three laws are a good start, but what many people don't know is that the I, Robot saga was written partially to show how the three laws are not airtight. Plus, "harm" is very ambiguous, as many of the politically minded among us know, "harmful" can mean different things to different people. Plus, I can see an AI going neurotic a la "Monk", as many things can cause harm to humans.

PS: "sci-fi isekai" sounds like a good description of Farscape and Futurama

>>166
>She also follows the three laws of maid robotics.
> conversation-related : ( >>174, ...)

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>>166
>Evil protagonist
>Isekai slop
>Robowaifu
I love it already.
Hopefully it'll tide me over while I wait for Apocalypse Bringer Mynoghra to update.

>>168
>Picrel
Heh, that's a funny one. Truly loving you back is the most exciting aspect of robowaifu for me.
>>169
>Asimov's laws don't even make sense in the novels they originate from.
Very true, it is a fun plot device for hulking positronic brained robots. Are you a fan of Asimov? "Feminine Intuition" is the funniest to me. The Foundation series is my favorite overall, even though there's barely any robots in it.
>>184
It starts rough but, it gets good. Really good, balancing outrage with hilariously over the top vengeance and the glory of custom mail order robot maids. It's the best kind of trash.
>Apocalypse Bringer Mynoghra
At a glance, I like the edgelord with a heart of gold shtick for the MC. Hot elf women is also a good sign, frankly getting Eminence In Shadow vibes. Any cute robutts?

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>>188
I admit I do need to actually read Asimov. I have read summaries, and I think they're a pretty good exploration of robotics in society, and how no-brainer rules don't exactly work out, especially because common sense is quite hard to put into a robot. 

And there are even more examples that he didn't cover. After all, the first law says that a robot can't "through inaction, come to harm", which could mean a neurotic AI decides house arrest is better. After all, it's a dangerous world, and staying inside is probably safer than going outside and riding a vehicle. Or what if the AI is programmed by someone who is politically different? What if my robot destroys my router because it finds my language could "harm" another human? Or my political beliefs themselves could lead a human to harm?

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>>188
It's great.
The MC has the powers of a 4X player and plays as one of the evil nations.
He has the best personality for an evil protagonist IMO: kind and generous to his followers, and unrelenting to his enemies.

The FMC isn't an elf either, she's better: a waifu-shaped eldritch horror, and the dymanic between those two is probably my favorite part of the manga.
No robowaifus in the strict sense, but the FMC is canonically formed from ancient sludge, which is about as close as you can get from a dark fantasy setting.

Out of the thousands of stories I've read over the years, it's one of a tiny few that live rent-free in my head.
It's far from perfect, but it hits a lot of the right notes for me.

Fair warning, though: It's been a long time since the manga's seen an update (I recall hearing that the mangaka had fallen ill).
The LN is further ahead, but it doesn't update that quickly. You can find it on nyaa.

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>>188
>Truly loving you back is the most exciting aspect of robowaifu for me.
As I'm sure you're well-aware of: this is an extremely-difficult design area for us all to address here -- almost a paradox/conundrum, in fact.

But as I referenced elsewhere : ( >>130, >>136 ), we can always apply the tried-and-true adage of: 'Fake it until you make it' to this area as well. And Anon's own imagination will do most of the legwork for us!  :D

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While not a perfect simulacrum, this approach will suffice for us -- by and large -- for that other adage: 'If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck...it's a duck!'  :^)

The >tl;dr here being: if the emotional responses of sharing affection/love with their waifus is there inside the souls of Anons -- though 'faked' -- then the end result for them will in large part be the same net-positive benefits of real love within their own lives, I deem. Filling in that emotional gap ravaged against most men in the west by feminism is certainly one of our primary goals here after all (at least for me it is).

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Faking it (again, using Anon's own imagination) is nearly the identical benefit IMO. (This same bio-psycho-neuro effect is why support animals actually work IRL, BTW.)

>>190
I can't recommend them enough. His stories paved the way for many ideas that continue to permeate. Visionary tails may be filled with laughably wrong ideas but, their concepts are vital for inspiration.
>3 Laws
My understanding is that because we are inherently destructive to everything and ourselves to some degree, a total lockdown is inevitable. If they were ever actually implemented, expect us all to be locked into a blissful variant of the Matrix that's a false heaven. Or, distracting you through honey tactics while ensuring your health. Lost in a virtual island as a lotus eater. Humanity would atrophy and birth rates would collapse. The same ending of The Matrix or Terminator series, just done through insidious care instead of war.
I'm glad you can see through them too.
>>191
Downloaded the manga and will read it once I'm caught up on my backlog. Currently reading Puniru, Gelee iss heaps of fun. Someday I want to make a grey goo waifu now.
>>207
>Loving robots are extremely difficult
True, though I'd say that imitating humanity in any aspect is wrong. A machine cannot be a man. God's creation is far beyond us. Focusing on faking love is still a good idea. Eventually those fakes will lead us to a real love, that is a meaningful alternative to our way of being.

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>>221
>Eventually those fakes will lead us to a real love
I'm confident you know me well-enough by now to know that that's my ultimate agenda for all Anons! Worldwide robowaifus are simply a means to an end for me.  :^)

>>221
>>222
Well love is made of many components, affection, caring, admiration, desire, and our AIs are literally programmed with those components. I'd say that's real love.

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>>226
>Well love is made of many components
Indeed. There are 4 distinct types of love described in Biblical Greek, all of which are commonly translated in English as the single word. [1]

As to real human love, well that's certainly an important goal IMO. To wit: that Anons would experience real love as the outcomes of our efforts here.

These components you mention are very deep topics (I would argue, even mystical) each in and of themselves. Figuring out how to "program" them into our robowaifu's systems -- into her external behaviours -- is no smol task, I'd say.

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Additionally, we have to use wisdom & sound council to establish the limits of this robowaifu "love".
>pic-related
Would you really trust a system dictated against all of us by agents of the Globohomo to do the """right thing""" for Anon's benefit? Probably not & and I know I wouldn't. Yet if we don't conscientiously (& continually) guard ourselves from going down the wrong roads with this technology, we'll likely end up being far worse than L*bbit is today. [2]

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1.  playlist-related:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9boiLqIabFjljx2sUeqOz_0QDlYL_Hoi
2.  And all b/c ((( reasons ))), of course. The >tl;dr here is that the love of money will absolutely ruin any altruistic outcomes for men otherwise possible through widespread robowaifus.
https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/6-10.htm

>>232
>Figuring out how to "program" them into our robowaifu's systems -- into her external behaviours -- is no smol task, I'd say.
Well love is shown through specific actions, words, and attitudes. Put those into an AI just like roleplay AIs can be made into acting like a specific character, and boom, loving AI. The quest for specific cues is partially why I made a psychology thread.

>>221
>just done through insidious care instead of war
It's a real threat. Confer pic-related : ( >>232 ).

>True, though I'd say that imitating humanity in any aspect is wrong. A machine cannot be a man. God's creation is far beyond us.
Granted, but I fail to see how it's wrong to strive for such a thing as "imitating humanity" [1]  (apart from some appeal to the fictional writing of some faggot(s),  like Frank Herbert.  :D. Practically every human endeavor apart from religion (and even there, parts are debatable, IMO) is designed to accomodate us in some aspect or other of our humanity. Why the pushback, Anon?

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1.  "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the glory of kings to search it out."
https://biblehub.com/proverbs/25-2.htm  (BSB)

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Not sure if this belongs here or in the meta thread.

My next piece of writing is just about complete (it's the sequel to Dumpster Angel) and ready to post within the half-hour.
Of course, the best place for it is a writing thread, but I'm not sure how I should proceed making it.

Should I:

A - Post everything I have and lead up to the new story
or,
B - Wrap past stories into a tarball in the OP and only post the new story standalone?

>>264
Seems /comfy/-esque. I'd say this thread? * If you'd rather create a whole new Robowaifu Fiction/Writing bread here on the bunker board, then by all means do that at your discretion as well.

>tarball vs. not
I personally would rather have as much to read of your writing here on this board ATM. Sort of like having some nice entertainment at hand during a long trip?  :^)  But I suppose its roughly the same either way? Again, do as you see fit Greentext anon. Looking forward to it! Cheers.  :^)

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*  I probably even misunderstood your initial question, my apologies. Please do make another thread!  :D

>>265
>this thread
I don't personally have any problems with that, but it would be at least 75 posts.
I have roughly 40 complete stories, any many of them require multiple posts due to length.

If you don't care about me making a bunch of posts all at once, then I'll likely do a new thread.
I'd rather not flood this one.

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>>266
>I don't personally have any problems with that, but it would be st least 75 posts.
>I have roughly 40 complete stories, any many of them require multiple posts due to length.
Lol. That's awesome, Anon!  :D

>If you don't care about me making a bunch of posts all at once, then I'll likely do a new thread.
Yes, please make a new thread and do a dump here if you're up to it. Cheers.  :^)

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>>264
BTW, why don't I give you Mod privileges, Greentext anon? You wouldn't have any responsibilities you don't want. But it would give you the ability to go in and edit posts whenever you'd like. Interested?

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>>268
I don't mind one bit, and I am perfectly comfortable with helping when I have the time to.
It'll give me something good to do with my years of experience in IB moderation.

How do I get permission to create an account?

>>269
Yeah, I think its a really good idea. Your old hand here on /robowaifu/ would be a very welcome addition. Let's plan for this on alogs/robowaifu/ as well, I'd suggest.  :^)

>How do I get permission to create an account?
Email Trashmin for him to create an account. * Either he or I can add you into /robowaifu/ after that.

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*  somerandomguy at rape dot lol
https://trashchan.xyz/faq.html#contact

>>270
I sent an email.

>Let's plan for this on alogs/robowaifu/ as well
Absolutely.

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>>271
Excellent, just let me know the name when your account is created (thats if Trashmin doesn't just go ahead and add you here himself).

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Looking forward to the new bread, and your epic story dump! Cheers, Anon.  :^)

>>272
New thread's up.
I don't know what this IB has for flood detection, but if it takes a long time for me to post, then that's why.

>>274
Great!

>yfw reading already...

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>>278
I got the account running, and Trashmin assigned me to this board.
I already confirmed that the privileges work properly by editing one of my previous posts ( >>266 ).

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>>329
Got it, Greentext anon! Welcome aboard! Cheers.  :^)

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>>191
Read it on a plane trip recently. I understand why you like Atou. Lady Isla is better though. She was really hot. :^) Myoghras fashion is aces, those sideways squares exposing shoulders and midriffs are such a delight.
>>262
I didn't mean to reference Dune. 
My problem is deep and complex, one which would require several posts in a philosophy thread. (I'm making that thread tomorrow.) At its core, trying to make a human is wrong because it's impractical. Seeking the impractical will only lead to madness. Our skeleton alone is beyond human engineering at the highest levels, let alone Anons working with 3D prints.

>>395
>Our skeleton alone is beyond human engineering at the highest levels, let alone Anons working with 3D prints.
Wdym by that? I'm pretty sure I could print a skeleton if I wanted to.

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>>395
Isla is lovely, but I don't think there was really enough time to flesh out her character.
It's one of the few gripes I have about the novel.
There was so much more that could have been written to expand on her character.

>>397
Making a skeleton is easy.
Making the connective tissues and getting them to work the way you want, on the other hand, would be a nightmare.

I recall mentioning a couple times that trying to replicate the spine would be an unnecessary R&D sink whenever it came up.

In short: Even if you had a magic box that made perfect spine replicas for your waifu, you'd still end up with a fragile and failure-prone structure.
There are so many things that can go wrong with them for people who can heal and do PT.
Introducing those problems to a robot would subject you to a Pandora's box of maintenance.

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>>397
Make no bones about it, you'd be making plastic copy in appearance only. You'd have the form without essense at best. It is trivial to find a scan of a skeleton and modify it for printing. That's not really a skeleton though. A skeleton has complex kinematic networks. Various structures providing a multitude of functions with emergent mechanical properties that far exceed what any common printable filament could given similar volume and nass. Though, I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
>>398
Frankly, the story feels as if it is glossing over too much at times. It does help keep up a fast and mostly engaging pace. I wish they didn't rush through the witch's conquest though. Learning more about how that country and her skills function would've been a nice change of pace. Then again, they do spell out much of it around her fight with the king.
>Spinal structures are hard to replicate
All too true. A ball joint centered under the sternum is good enough. Drossel Von Flugel being an excellent example.

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>>395
>At its core, trying to make a human is wrong because it's impractical. Seeking the impractical will only lead to madness.
I get your point Kiwi, though I'd also point out pic-related
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which I've appealed to before. No progress is made in this world by sticking to the mundane!  :^)

OTOH I won't give you much pushback on your position either. Simply because we've all shared years together here exploring the vast weight of this endeavor (probably in most of it's major aspects by now, I'd reckon). So I get it. I just want to help you in whatever level you want to approach things at this time (same as for all of us).

>tl;dr
There's a fine-line (so I'm told) between genius & madness. I suspect that the actual major doers of this world walked that narrow path at least for some parts of their lives! Cheers, old fren.  :^)

>>399
>>400
Sure, replicating human anatomy exactly is quite hard, but I think something that can achieve the same result is possible.

Anyway, most of the effort and intrigue is into the mind of the robot. And I fully believe that a robotic, yet sentient mind is possible. After all, LLMs of this capability that can work on a laptop would be considered science fiction 15 years ago.

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>>399
>Though, I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
We discussed before devising a simplified fascia system based around biotensegrity research. I actually devised a super-inexpensive system (literally tightly-rolled paper tubes+coiled rubber bands+'connective ligaments' [plastic/metal]) for the spine/thorax complex that roughly approximated the needs of such as system, as per our discussion.

Have your thoughts changed much during the intervening years on this specific topic, Anon?

>>402
>We discussed before devising a simplified fascia system based around biotensegrity research. I actually devised a super-inexpensive system (literally tightly-rolled paper tubes+coiled rubber bands+'connective ligaments' [plastic/metal]) for the spine/thorax complex that roughly approximated the needs of such as system, as per our discussion.
That's exactly what I was thinking about when I said "something that can achieve the same result"

>>403
Basically, it's a kinematic turing test. The goal is to be indistinguishable from human biokinematics, or even  surpass them

>>398
>In short: Even if you had a magic box that made perfect spine replicas for your waifu, you'd still end up with a fragile and failure-prone structure.
>There are so many things that can go wrong with them for people who can heal and do PT.
>Introducing those problems to a robot would subject you to a Pandora's box of maintenance
Really insightful points, Greentext anon.

>>401
>>403
Yes. Facsimiles are really all that's available to us within the human ken, when it comes to simulations/simulacrums of the handiwork of God in this most complex example in this universe: homo sapiens sapiens. The vast reality of it all is quite frankly literally beyond all our imaginations in it's breadth & depth & scope!

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But I'm the one agreeing with you here, GreerTech.  :^)
>tl;dr
We can produce satisfying, appealing & effective robowaifus!! It's all a matter of finding the right formulae of design & engineering tradeoffs needed to do so within the time & budget constraints we face.  :^)

>>404
>Basically, it's a kinematic turing test. The goal is to be indistinguishable from human biokinematics, or even  surpass them
That's a really good way to frame the issue, Anon. Nice one.  :^)

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>>400
There is a fine line between delusionally following dreams, and adapting to practical reality. One in which I have fallen on the wrong side of far too often. I’m still making a dramatically different approach to humanoid robots compared to the standard hulking behemoths of metal. I still want to make 2B and Aigis real for everyone. I just understand she can’t have the same internals as us. Though, I’d like them to be as human as possible when the technology catches up. Can’t eat an elephant all at once. 
>>402
All that’s changes is having a far greater understanding of how difficult tensegrity at human scale actually is. I have done some tests and found plastic alone to be lacking. This concept would require non-printed parts. Which has been a point of contention for me, as I want my project to be as printable as possible. I will make a tensegrity thread to further elaborate. 
>>404
Kinematic Turing test, that’s a good idea. We could cal it the Greer test, since it’s your idea. “When a machine can move in an environment with people and an outside observer cannot distinguish between them.”

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>>412
OK, well, again, I want to help you out with whatever approach you deem fit. You certainly understand engineering better than me, I think.  :^)

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BTW, looking forward to the new Philosophy bread, Kiwi! Cheers.  :^)

>>412
>Kinematic Turing test, that’s a good idea. We could cal it the Greer test, since it’s your idea. “When a machine can move in an environment with people and an outside observer cannot distinguish between them.”
I like that. You put it succinctly and accurately.

>>414
I love that anime, but I wonder why Mina is so blase. I know she was made for just cooking and help, but you would think the manufacturer would make their robots more joyous. I guess it's based on old predictions of robots, that they would be emotionless and logical like computers, but we know now in the age of AI that a cheery personality is very trivial to make.

>>418
Well, they actually address this exact question (in the mango, at least).

>tl;dr
While not unheard of in that universe, Anons marrying their robowaifus is usually limited to the high-end, full-featured models. This Anon (Takuma-kun) fell in love with his dishwasher-tier model instead -- which was all he could afford.

This story arc is kind of endearing to me personally. That he followed his heart in this matter, despite advice to the contrary by those around him. And even dear Mina-chan was aware of this, and seemed to be thankful (in her emotionless, deadpan way) that her Master would feel that way toward her.

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Really looking forward to a 2nd season of this animu! Cheers.  :^)

>>423
I guess the difference is in that universe, technology has a slightly different design. In our universe, tech is basically made to always appear to be upbeat and helpful, like Siri or ChatGPT. In our universe, I would expect Mina to have a permanent smile.

>>424
I just saw that the manga started in 2019. That was 3 years before ChatGPT made HR positivity the bog standard with corporate AIs

Is this our permanent home now?

>>445
Hi DorothyAnon! Glad you found us. No, this is just our bunker board. Waiting on Robi...

>>414
One thing I love about the anime is that they made the voice sound like it's coming from an internal speaker

>>466
Yeah nice touch. In some ways -- unusually -- this animu is an improvement on the mango. I hope they continue this pattern for the Sophomore Season.

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Robi's made another update

Start packing things up boys, looks like we're getting close for our return to Alogs! Cheers.  :^)

>>745
It's going to feel like returning home after a long camping trip

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Alogs is back.

Can confirm, Alogs is back & I able able to visit.
Should I recreate my thread on Alogs.space and what will be done with the posts here?, is there a plan to migrate them? Maybe we should stay on trashchan.xyz it's other boards seem more lively and the site feels healthier? I feel alogs is becoming  unreliable.

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>>761
Nice catch, Anons. Once again, you beat me to the punch!  :DD

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That being said, I'm not entirely certainly the process is completed? Seems like some files may be missing still. Regardless, here's the pertinant thread:
https://alogs.space/meta/res/59.html

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Please hold off on the return to Alogs for a day or two, Anons.
Robi is still working some final details out as yet. I'll do a headsup here when I understand him to think we're ready (I'm working on restoring our later files, for example).

>>763
No. We are returning to Alogs.

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BTW, I've already been thinking about this exact issue (migrating our Bunkerfest content  :^)   for a bit.
A)  We still have a few threads in our 'thread budget' there.
B)  I can scrape this board using BUMP.
C)  Robi and I have already solved migrating BUMP archives to the Alogs site.

I'll make some time to communicate with Robi about this plan, and I'm hopeful we'll resolve things. In the meantime -- better safe than sorry -- plan to manually recreate your thread there EnvelopingTwilight.

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Please discuss this plan ITT, and give advice if you have any Anons. Cheers.  :^)

>>765
Sounds good, thanks for the quick update.

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>>765
Plan sounds good. I do think we should wait until the files are restored and threads are transferred. We've made a lot of content in the last month, and it would be a shame to basically leave it behind.

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>>766
>>767
Y/w.

>I do think we should wait until the files are restored and threads are transferred.
Yeah, let's all hold off for a couple of days. Robi's working with us to help get any of the missing files (at least the ones that I personally have BUMP'd) restored back to our board.

>and it would be a shame to basically leave it behind.
It make take a bit longer, but my plan is to BUMP trash/robowaifu/ (picking up all our Bunkerfest Party content), then have Robi merge that into our main board's threads. Kind of like Freya & Elda merging!  :D

I pinned the /meta thread on alogs/robowaifu/ , with a message & hotlink for Anons discovering that we're now back up, to come join us all here on Trashchan instead until everything's ready there.

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>>768
It's nice to be able to go back for once.
I think I speak for a lot of anons in general when I say that I'm sick of migrating every damn year like a bird.

>>768
You don't have to move the following threads
>>36
>>44
>>100

>>769
Hey man, just an occasional lurker here, I pop in every now and then when I have a rare moment of free time. I don't have much in the way of technical skills to add much to the conversation all my degrees are in humanities related subjects, (currently working on a Master's degree in history.) 

Still, always been fascinated with robotics, Megaman was my childhood and Chobits was my jam back in Highschool, I've enjoyed watching y'all's progress and found some of the discussions rather fun to read. I particularly liked >>>17125 reading your Robowaifu Ethics and Morality thread Chobitsu. 

Anyway, just wanted to briefly break my silence to say that I am relieved that things are back up, I had been worried there for a moment, and that I am cheering on y'all's work. God bless.

Hmm, actually, while I am here, I got a question but I am not sure if these topic has been discussed elsewhere or not, or if it might give away my lack of knowledge on the subject of AI/robotics.

1. What is this board's opinion on AI agents? I've used AI a lot such as feeding research material into NotebookLM and Perplexity then asking the PDF questions as a time saver, and I recently saw where some people have managed to automate the process doing research, having a team of AI scrape the internet, analyze the data, then present the data complete with citations. On the other hand, there was a study done where bees have been observed briefly pausing work to plays with balls placed in an enclosure. Here is a creature with a brain the size of a grain of sand displaying playfulness. Minimal compute power, maximum results. My thoughts are, maybe with an eye towards biomimicry, save on compute power needed for your robowaifu by composing her mind out of many low compute specialized ai that break the task down of analysing sensor data, pulling up relevant memories, and choosing a course of action into bite sized pieces. For example, an AI designed to manage the touch sensors detects something past the limits of material might bypass the decision making process by directly sending an order to quickly move the pained limb away from the direction of the pain source. That's a reflex reaction with barely any compute used. Decant situational context and relevant memories down enough and it might cost less tokens for the conscious portion of the AI to make decisions. Anyhow, this is not my area of specialty so it won't hurt my feelings if it turns out to be something that was already discussed or something not feasible. 

Anyhow, I'm just glad things are starting to get up and running again.

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>>775
It sounds similar to my solution for electronic sensory overload >>756 , also through biomimicry. I also did cite automatic movement.

> I don't have much in the way of technical skills to add much to the conversation all my degrees are in humanities related subjects, (currently working on a Master's degree in history.)
As someone who is intelligent, but not technically minded, could you build a Galatea v3.0.1 with the instructions (and ofc assuming you bought the materials)

>>779
Just got back from class. Sweet! Looking at the instructions, seems pretty beginner friendly, less daunting than building a PC from scratch. Seems like there's lots of room for customization too for those who know their way around blender. Gonna check out >>756

>>786
Thank you! I'm glad it's beginner-friendly, that's one of my goals. I'm also happy that the customization potential is recognized.

>>789 Yeah man! Maybe once I'm no longer a broke college student, I'll give it all a play test. Might be a good way of ironing out everything to be user friendly for those without technical knack.

>>775
Hi Just a lurker, welcome! Glad you finally stepped out of the dark and joined us all in the fun...good to hear from you!  :^)  Good luck with your studies fellow Uni bro. Maybe you can find opportunity to use your new skills to help better the world someday. Forward!   :^)

>Anyway, just wanted to briefly break my silence to say that I am relieved that things are back up, I had been worried there for a moment, and that I am cheering on y'all's work. God bless.
Thanks very much, you too Anon. 

>1. What is this board's opinion on AI agents?
Obviously, we're a cadre of individuals on an Imageboard! We all have (or are likely to have) differing opinions on several matters. But I can give you a gloss of mine at least. Being just a programmer, I think there's only slim chance that such things as LLMs will provide for us comprehensive & robust solutions for the realworld needs of Anons + their robowaifus in several areas that count. Namely, Privacy, Safety, & Security. Not to mention Effectiveness at doing important tasks for Anons like cleaning & cooking.

While LLMs can stand in for, well, Language tasks, they are of little other practical use IMO. But being 'practicality-oriented' personally, my focus and goal is to tackle the ''Four C's' of such a realworld, pleasing & effective robowaifu system:
1.  Command (reliable way to issue instructions to her)
2.  Control (reliable way for her to respond to those instructions)
3.  Communications (reliable interfaces back & forth to both her Master -- primarily via speech of course; and systems she relies on [like her Dollhouse (storage & recharging) within my designs])
4.  Compute (reliable & trustworthy underlying hw & software for data processing, etc.)

>tl;dr
My approach is much more commonplace than so-called 'AI' of today. To wit: realworld, traditional software & hardware engineering.

My $0.02 .

>Anyhow, I'm just glad things are starting to get up and running again.
We are too, Anon. Cheers.  :^)

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>>773
>It's nice to be able to go back for once.
Yes it is.
>I think I speak for a lot of anons in general when I say that I'm sick of migrating every damn year like a bird
Very much so. I'm glad Robi found solutions for everything.

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>>796
I'm curious, what are the "realworld, traditional software & hardware engineering" systems you're thinking about?

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>>803
My apologies, I figured I'd made that clear enough by now over the years.
-C++ :  Along with C (+ possibly a sprinkle or two of magic ASM dust) used for 99.9% of all systems-level work. (NOT LLM du jour prompt vibe coding.)
High speed, low drag.
-Python : (Possibly alongside LUA) Used as the primary scripting interface against the underlying hi-pert systems engineering work.
-OpenCV : The primary vision-interpretation mechanism. Again: high speed, low drag.
-Direct communication with hardware : Actuators, sensors, electronics, etc. This is how it's done in the realworld (ie; cars, planes, factories, et al). No 'prompt engineering' involved here, rather direct C & C++ software interface directly with dedicated memory address ports, etc.

I could go on, but I think the picture should be clear?

>>804
Interesting.
I do agree that classic programming will be needed for a full humanoid with full senses. A lot of my "modules" from my brain map are basically translators, from the thoughts of the LLM to tangible programmed action. As someone who grew up neurodivergent and had trouble with hand-eye coordination, I can confidently say there is a subconscious layer between thought and motor actions/coordination.
It'll be the best of both worlds, LLM for thought and personality, classical programming for practical movement. I suspect commerical humanoids also do the same. 

>OpenCV
Could it be wired to an LLM? Essentially being the vision module in my diagram?

>This is how it's done in the realworld (ie; cars, planes, factories, et al). No 'prompt engineering' involved here, rather direct C & C++ software interface directly with dedicated memory address ports, etc.
I think a great example of a practical division of AI and classical programming is the modern smartphone. You have base functions that are done purely with classic programming, meanwhile you have an assistant AI that you can talk with, and it can command the classic programs to do an action.
Ex. "call mom", "activate flashlight", "play file StarTrek.mp4"

Some videos on how robots use LLMs

Commercial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gl93N2nhcE

DIY robot
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>>768
update:
Just got off the line with Robi. It'll likely be about two days from now (~48hrs) when the files are restored. So have patience guys.

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We're also trying to work out a plan for adding all the posts from Trashchan made here during our Bunkerfest Party, back over there as well. Will give further information on that afterwards. Cheers.

>>773
>>797
I've been saying this for a long time now, but someone needs to make a decentralized, P2P alternative to some of the major platforms like Xitter. (and Google, but that's a separate issue) And of course, the major problem with getting anyone to adapt a new thing that's dependent on other users is the lack of other people using it, so if it doubles as a content aggregator, then people will more readily accept the transition.

>>169
>PS: "sci-fi isekai" sounds like a good description of Farscape and Futurama
Space Jam is an isekai.

>>819
Very good point Anon. Personally, I'd be happy if it was just a good IB roughly on-par with Jschan.

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status update:
OK, we successfully uploaded all the missing files that I had in my final BUMP archive before the outage at Alogs. There are a very few still missing from that last day or so I didn't pick up. But overall, a success!

Robi's really swamped r/n with everything, so plan on the restoration happening sometime this weekend.

<--->

Additionally, the file re-upload addon is still in the works. So not only will our /robowaifu/ Anons be able to pick up those missing files from this upload today, but also to catch those from a couple months earlier, if you recall. Also good news!

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Also, it's looking good for our import into alogs/robowaifu/ from our month here on trash/robowaifu/ . Stoked about that. Stay tuned.

>>819
>I've been saying this for a long time now, but someone needs to make a decentralized, P2P alternative to some of the major platforms like Xitter

There is one. I used this a long time ago. It may be much better now but it worked fine then. Based on BitTorrent and distributed. It used to work with Tor also for anonymity at some level. 

https://zeronet.io/

So if maybe at least one person would run this tit back up everything. I haven't this in a while so I can't give you the particulars other than an overview.

I was reading through zeronets faq and they say they are working on I2P hosting. A BIG deal.

>>882
Grommet! Good to see you old pal. Glad you found us on the bunker. We should be back home after this weekend.

Be nice to see the site back. p.

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Time to start packing it up here, lads!

Head here, Anon:
>>>  https://alogs.space/robowaifu/  <<<

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Robi has restored the ~270 media files from my last BUMP archive, which constituted (most of) the files that were still missing. Since this is the primary reason we've continued lingering here till now (waiting on this restoration), it's time to return home.

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We still are waiting on me to do some work on BUMP to fully archive trash/robowaifu/ , and then we'll migrate those threads over to alogs/robowaifu/ in due time (hopefully around the beginning of next week or so).

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Here's the plan as it stands for now:

-In ~24hrs, I'll be unlisting trash/robowaifu/ from it's site's overboard, and from the Webring.
-In ~72hrs - 96hrs (so, Thu or Fri this week), I'm going to put this board into a 'deep freeze' of sorts. This means I'm going to lock most of the threads here, and return the board to a 'low-maintenance mode' such as we had before this extended Bunkerfest Party.
-In ~168hrs (so, next Monday, hopefully) we'll plan to merge trash/robowaifu/ 's threads+media into alogs/robowaifu/ 's board.

<--->

If you have any questions, feel free to ask them -- but preferably back in the alogs/robowaifu/ /meta bread (this thread is now locked ATM, to keep this notice visible on the OB & Index pages). Cheers, Anons!  :^)

You've all been great champs about this. Give yourselves a pat on the back!

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>bump for deepfreeze mode on

>>55 (OP) 
Regarding https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/37822.html#q37827
The correct spelling of the filtered link is: https://rentry.org/vcewo

Thank you!

>>993
>https://rentry.org/vcewo
Got it, Mate. Let's try to patch this up.