/late/ - Late Nights

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>>1869 (OP) 
>What's on your mind, tonight?
Thinking about how I'm going to balance studies, work, saving money, and building robowaifus. Roughly in that order. You?

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>>1870
You could hear a pin drop in my brain right now. Think I'm gonna save the thinking for tomorrow.

>>1871
>repeatedly try expanding your image
>no results
Lol, you got me.

>>1872
Huh?

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>on-call at work this week (required to be available 24/7 in the rare case of an emergency)
>my work phone
>gets a spam robo-call
>at 3:50 in the morning
I didn't choose the /late/ life. The /late/ life chose me.

>>1876
People must have a solution for that, niggertech notwithstanding.  Like whitelisting numbers that can activate the ringer, and dropping random bullshit calls that you aren't going to answer anyway.

Surely this feature is standard in this, the year of our Lord 2024.

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RIP the anon.cafe visiting thread.

>What's on your mind, tonight?
In the midst of the chaos, I'm searching for a soft pillow that works for stomach sleepers, doesn't get hot, and preferably not too expensive for nice cozy nights.

I've found many candidates, the one I'm probably going to get is the Serta standard down alternative at Lowes. I stumbled across it by chance and have my misgivings with its low $15 price tag and its polyester filling, but it feels great. The fabric is super soft and cool (whether or not it stays that way while in use is still in question), and it's not too firm.

>>1876
A manager at my previous employer tried to issue me a work phone for such a reason once.
I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

I'm going to see the solar eclipse on Monday. I've picked out a field about 30 minutes out. Kinda worried about traffic from the fucking tourists, but whatever. Hopefully it'll be worth it.

>>1883
I'm going to take a look myself. Just from home I've got enough sky. And I found my rectangle of welder's glass from the last one.

my first time on late!

>>1886
Get him

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i am here today on this night to that i can so to remind you that to ask you that you to contribute to the zine!!!!

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>>1869 (OP) 
>>1893
I'd like to contribute!

At least I think I do

What's the email that I send stuff to?

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Gonna listen to an episode of Gunsmoke in bed.

I haven't listened to a huge amount of old time radio, but this seems to be the pinnacle.

>>1886
OI!! You paid up on your loicense, lad?

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>>1893
Is there still not enough material for the zine? Dang. Here, have cosmological horrors beyond your comprehension.

>>1903
I used to listen to old-time radio as a kid before bed. My dad was really into it and had a whole bunch of shows downloaded. The first I remember listening to were The Harold Peary Show and The Great Gildersleeve. I don't know what would be considered the best or anything, since I never became a radio enthusiast or anything. I remember my dad listening to Suspense a lot.

>>1910
>Suspense
Oh, yeah!  I have all of that and ESCAPE.  It's great stuff.

>>1902
>>1907
latezine (at) airmail (dot) cc

Please donate a submission to the latezine foundation for latefrens in need.

I want courage.

>>1942
Courage the Cowardly Dog Show?

>>1943
No but I had a feeling someone was going to respond with this anyways.

>>1944
Sorry for being predictable, but there is a lesson in there. Courage is scared shitless, and usually rightfully so, but he always does what he has to do, even when he's so anxious and afraid he can hardly breathe. The terror will pass, and your emotions cannot force you to do or to not do anything.

>>1943
I have such fond memories of that show, I remember at times it'd be so jarring to me as a kid but I couldn't get enough

>>1951
I think that show is a tiny part of why I'm such a night owl. It encapsulates the intoxicating weirdness of the deep night.

I find myself beginning to tread a very dark path, metaphorically speaking. Or perhaps it's not so dark after all and it's all a matter of perspective.

>>1975
>beginning to tread a very dark path
Be glad your legs work to be able to tread otherwise you'd be due a visit from Doctor Vindaloo

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I just wish I did things properly. I got no one to talk to, imageboars get tiresome, and I can't be entertained by most of what is the current web nowadays.
What am I supposed to do? How do people find partners and friends? Am I stupid? I can only answer one of those questions sadly.

>>1979
Brother you gotta venture out into the world. Find a hobby, put yourself out there, spend time in social settings like bars, cafes, clubs.

Got any coworkers that pique your interest a bit? Well talk to them. Making friends isn't hard, but finding someone thats got your back and is trustworthy takes years of friendship to develop.

You know these answers already, so this isn't the problem. It's your mindset about the whole thing that's probably fucking you over more than you realize. Get outta your comfort zone a bit

>>1979
Imageboards are great but spending too much time devoid of person will wear on your mental health. It's good to have somewhere you can go where you can be somebody real. Even if that's just somewhere online.

>>1979
>I got no one to talk to
Talk to people. Talk to people from whom you can afford to be told things like "No" or "go away"'.

If you are particularly autistic, then you will have to change from asking yourself "what good can come of it?" to the question of "what bad can come of it?" instead.

>Imageboards get tiresome
Good. They are supposed to.

>I can't be entertained by most of what is the current web
The current web can afford your ennobling as well as propagate your sin. I'm learning about an-priv herbs and pharmacology. Would be harder to do without internet.

>What is one supposed to do?
Seek out God and shelter your flock.

>How do people find partners and friends?
I tend to wing it anon. I don't have many. But take an interest in people and be prepared to deal with their unfriendliness.

>Am I stupid?
You are autistic, which reflects upon low IQ... But you're self-aware and capable of restraint. You've a lot going for you there frankly. Most people of the world don't have either.

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So much left to do, but not a lot I can. Is it odd that when I fight with someone I care about, I hate it more when I'm not the one in the wrong? I'm used to being wrong. I like being wrong. I have a reason to feel like shit when I'm wrong. I get to apologize when I'm wrong. Did you know chewing ice habitually is a sign of an iron deficiency? I think I might have one now. Need to get a blood test, but I'm broker than Hotwheels' bones. Everyday I want to get closer to my goals, and every night I feel further away than ever. I don't see how I'm ever going to get ahead like this. Just one of those nights, I guess.

>>1992
I don't understand iron deficiency.  You eat some spinach, and get five times the daily recommended amount or whatever.

Does everyone have tapeworms?

>>1993
It runs in the family.

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I've been thinking about the large amount of nostalgia for the "old internet" recently, and I just realized that people aren't really nostalgic for the "old internet," they miss the feeling of discovery, which was more prevalent on the early web as now things are more centralized, but it's nothing exclusive to the early web.
I guess what I'm saying is if you feel bored with the web the way it is now, you should just try randomly searching for stuff, go on an adventure and see what you find.

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>>1995
It's funny you posted that image

This was kinda how I felt for a time, but I went down an immense internet Lain rabbit hole a year or two ago and realized there definitely are plenty of insane discoveries to be made if you truly search for them. That's how I found the original /late/, which was such a feeling when I first stumbled onto the board.

I think that most people just want to feel nostalgic. It feels so comfy living in the past, but it really wasn't anything special and those feelings you miss are still very much attainable in the present.

Does anyone know if the cyberpunk board, /cyber/, ever made it off 8chan to a different imageboard?

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>>2001
They were on anon.cafe, but it was completely inactive, sadly.
And I remember seeing /cyber/ on this website but it was dead and didn't have a BO, not sure though.

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LOL, it's not just nostalgia. The web is like 90% or more cloudflare proxy and needs latest javascript cookie monster botnet browser.

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>>2003
Of course it's not "just nostalgia," the web has become quite corporatized and because it's profitable to mine data and whatnot that's what big companies do.

What I'm saying is that the good parts of the internet have not disappeared, they're just buried beneath all the shit, and you need to find them.

It's sad because some people feel that the internet is just completely dead and they just give up and go onto these corporate platforms because they feel there is nowhere else to go, I just encourage you try to "surf" the web and try to find the good parts of it before giving up.

I'm wondering what is it that I actually want out of life. I have thought about this for quite a while, but I never have an answer. 
I will soon make a decision that depends on the answer to this question so I'm a little uneasy

>>2002
/cyber/ is in here, it's just that it's unlisted because I think no one stepped up to be the BO.

I'm glad /late/ is back. The last time I was on /late/ was when it was on late.city.

The rainy season is here and it bought in a storm. I hope the little greenhouse I made last month can survive.

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Is anyone still here?
Having my last week of vacation from work, need to stop procrastinating and finish the things I need to.

>>2020
Yo! Absolutely, usually I just lurk but it appears we're having a quiet week so far. And good luck with the projects Anon. 
>>2012
Good luck on the greenhouse situation! We're cheering it on! I didn't open enough vents and my top shelf (sunflowers) didn't survive on mine... I have enough seeds to start over though, the bees and squirrels never go hungry at my house.

>>2020
I'm here. I come everyday more than once, but don't have anything to say myself.

>need to stop procrastinating and finish the things I need to.
I should too...

>What's on your mind, tonight?
Considering buying some musical equipment and also potentially reducing part of my setup in the future. Also thinking about spending more time practicing music. I spend a lot of time just screwing around on the Internet and basically refreshing pages and coming up with stuff to look at, so it would probably be a wiser use of my time.
>>2020
>need to stop procrastinating and finish the things I need to.
I know that feel.
>>2022
>I'm here. I come everyday more than once, but don't have anything to say myself.
Same. I have the site open basically whenever I browse the Internet.

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>>2020
I've been lurking here, though I guess the problem with that is everyone ends up lurking waiting for someone to post something and so nothing gets posted.

winter here is hitting hard
i'll cook a lentil stew tomorrow, hope it comes out good, but it's quite a demanding piece of $#!? to cook

>>2024
Then respond

>>2026
>winter here is hitting hard
I'm glad to be in the Northern Hemisphere right now. As someone who loathes the cold, this is one of the only times during the year where I don't mind being outside.

>>2020
Yes sorry. I've had an exhausting couple of weeks. Sick. Bad sleep. I've just not had time or energy to hardly interact with anons. I've not even been able to lurk.
>>2026
I wish it was winter here again. I'm not tolerating heat and humidity very well anymore.

>>2024
I don't mind that. I'd rather have an imageboard with one post a week than tons of low quality posts.

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hello, it's not actually /late/ here, it's about 12:30pm
but i just have to post on this thread, thats the rules, right?
anyway the sentiment isn't much different here than in the other boards but it seems me posting an AI generated image to every thread i visit for the first is upsetting to some people, i knew about AI hate but i didn't know it was that bad, sorry about it.
anyway, good night anons

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one more job application I jobbed 
Honestly I should give up the idea of getting employed as a software development, I should just try to make a game and sell it on steam. 
This market sucks, and counting the statistics, games make a good amount of money even if it's just 1000 sales.
But then again, that involves getting good with art, music software, and writing if I wanted to be more ambitious.

>>2033
Cute doge.

>>2043
I know this boat, brother. I'm not in it, exactly, but I know it.

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When I listen to lofi (yes I listen to lofi, hang me) I feel that all my problems and worries no matter how bad just wash off me like it's nothing. It feels something like a hug, a warm feeling of "it'll be alright".

What's your "hug"?

>>2048
I don't think associating your good chemicals to something related to affection is a bright idea.

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>>2048
Lo-fi is a production style, not a genre.

But for me, it's probably old video game soundtracks.

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>>2026 
>>2030
Some months and winter will arrive here, I hope the temperatures drop at least to a pleasant weather, as someone who loathes the heat.
>>2043
I wish you good luck if you choose the game endeavor, I would say is a high risk/work and high reward, if everything is done right and you get a good reception, the money flowing from sales will be great.

>>2043
If you finish it, please share it with us!

It stormed, and I lost power for a little while. Thankfully, it was only out a few hours.

>>2004

Is Cloudflare the IRL Aquinas Protocol?

Not much to say, but I came by, so I thought I'd post.

Hi. How's it going? Me; I'm doing pretty good. Still struggling with self discipline. Luckily, I only have a couple of bad habits, and they aren't too destructive. Still a pain in the ass though. Hope you're doing good. Catch you around.

>>2062
Thanks anon. Got several interesting new things going on r/n, and I'm in a very good environment too. Lots to be thankful for!

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>>2061
>Deus Ex reference
I guess you mean in how it seems to create a central point of failure for telecommunications.  I wonder if it ought to be.  Like if it happens to explode one day, do we return to "city states, government on a scale comprehensible to its citizens"?

Probably not.
>>2062
>habits
I've been doing the "stay offline 22 hours a day" thing for the past few days.  If I get the notion to check something, I just write it down.  Then when it's time to go online I realize that half these things I wrote down were retarded and I'm not wasting my time on them.
>>2048
Also old game soundtracks.  I only wonder where to even begin looking for music this cool outside of some obscure SHMUP from the '90s.

sort of drifted away from the only social group I spent any amount of time with, our values were just far too different for any serious connection to flourish

I think I will spend my entire life alone, and I'm feeling less sad about this fact as time goes on. sometimes at night I look out into the city skyline wondering if there's some random guy out there among the millions of people I'm looking at that I'd like to meet but this doesn't happen as much anymore, there's probably like less than 10, if any, people in the entire country that I could share a meaningful connection with and I'm not sure that it's worth continuing to look for them

I've been giving serious consideration to moving to some quiet, sparsely populated city in the midwest with low cost of living and no income tax. Sioux Falls for example, has this beautiful waterfall going through the center of the city, it sounds like a nice place to chill and live out a peaceful life

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>>2064
>I only wonder where to even begin looking for music this cool outside of some obscure SHMUP from the '90s.
I have a much easier time finding old video game music that jibes with my tastes  than other styles for whatever reason. I think in a lot of way there was just a higher standard of composition to it, and the limitations bred creativity. It's not hard to find games from the '80s or '90s with tunes that are more memorable than a lot of what you'll hear on the radio, especially given the abysmal state of pop music today. Even "classic rock" stations play their share of garbage though.
>>2065
>sort of drifted away from the only social group I spent any amount of time with, our values were just far too different for any serious connection to flourish
Many such cases!
>I've been giving serious consideration to moving to some quiet, sparsely populated city in the midwest with low cost of living and no income tax. Sioux Falls for example, has this beautiful waterfall going through the center of the city, it sounds like a nice place to chill and live out a peaceful life
I don't know that Sioux Falls is all great. I heard from someone who lives there that Rapid City is considered the better place to be. I saw someone on the Internet who seemed to be familiar with South Dakota recommend that people don't move there, but I don't remember what the context was.

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>>2066
Yeah, the radio's a non-starter.  You have to look to genres like neoclassical, prog rock, and jazz fusion to get anywhere close.

Lately I just try to picture a band taking the stage and playing something like songrel.  They're not a SNES nostalgia band and don't even know what MAGFest is.  They use actual instruments, not synths.

Come to think of it, maybe Level 42 isn't too far off the mark.
>>2064
>the "stay offline 22 hours a day" thing
I think today is day four or five.  Feeling a good level of discomfort as I overcome the resistance of bad habits.  I've done this for most of 2022, up until the end of 2023, so I find I settle pretty naturally back into the distraction-free lifestyle.  But now I find myself restless to log on and see what's happening on the stupid-ass internet.

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>>2048
anon I feel exactly the same. I have an extensive curated lofi playlist on youtube. 
My favs are: kudasai, xori, neptune kid, potsu, purrple cat
can you recommend some artists?

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>>2072
I know too few to recommend any, but I certainly can recommend some of my favorite songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFKuzB4ZUXk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJTssyimS6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyIr_jx6rHw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuZqyvJ91Rk

>>2070
>Yeah, the radio's a non-starter.  You have to look to genres like neoclassical, prog rock, and jazz fusion to get anywhere close.
I can definitely hear the influence jazz fusion had on Japanese musicians back then, but most of the songs I've heard weren't anywhere near as tuneful. "Asayake" by Casiopea is an exception. It might actually be my favorite rock instrumental of all time. I'll have to do more listening though.
>They're not a SNES nostalgia band and don't even know what MAGFest is.  They use actual instruments, not synths.
Who isn't? I'm not following.
>Come to think of it, maybe Level 42 isn't too far off the mark.
I should maybe give them a shot. Is there any album in particular you'd recommend? I'm not sure if I've ever heard their music or not, but I definitely know the name from seeing advertised at the end of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFclpprR48c
>But now I find myself restless to log on and see what's happening on the stupid-ass internet.
I find myself doing the same thing just to kill time. It goes against my goal of trying to spend more time with music. At least last night I got in an hour of guitar practice and some time screwing around on the keyboard.

>>2074
>"Asayake" by Casiopea is an exception. It might actually be my favorite rock instrumental of all time.
Cool, I'll check that out.
>Who isn't? I'm not following.
A hypothetical band.  I'm thinking if I can imagine it, then I can find it.

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>>2075
>Cool, I'll check that out.
Here you go. Casiopea was an influence on the Out Run soundtrack, I think, which is why they sound alike. I think that might have been how I found them in the first place.
>A hypothetical band.  I'm thinking if I can imagine it, then I can find it.
Oh, okay. It's completely obvious now that I reread your post.

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man limerence is an absolute bitch

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>>2064
>stay offline 22 hours a day
I should do this or something like this.

>>2065
Not everyone has to be everything. Almost every single little dude out there in the world living their life has something worthwhile inside of them, and has something you can enjoy from them. A family member came into town this week for a couple of days, and it reminded me to be social. To reach out to people and make connections. I'm trying. I quite like people, but I like solitude too, and it's easier. I was raised in fear, but there's nothing to be afraid of, and little to worry about now. People, people who think too much that is, tend to make the assumption that you need to have loads of stuff in common with someone for them to be your friend, and that's not true at all. Often the most enriching relationships are those that doggedly take you out of your sphere of comfort, teach you about, and expose you to new things you didn't even know you didn't know. Those also often give you the opportunity to share your stuff fresh and new. Gaining new insights and a new level of mastery while you're at it. It won't happen all at once, so just shoot the shit with somebody now and again. It could pay off.

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Finally got around to watching all of Serial Experiments Lain (after it being 10+ years on "The List"), was expecting more of girl becomes a targeted individual after finding some weird tech, and not Serial Experiments Lain, the blurring of the lines between reality and the internet and the nature of divinity

Was also suprised to find out that Duvet is the opening, since i have a .webm of it from ~2013 (that has survived 3 phones, 2 laptops, an SD card and an external SSD), though I am unsure if I found it independantly or if I sought it after hearing it when I watched the first episode so many years ago

>>2090
It's definetly a show which reputations gotten away from it. Reminds me of the first time I watxhed Evangelion. Expected a literal harem show witg big robots. And the most prevelent memes at the time came from End of Evangelion andnthe remakes, so there were many scenes I was looking for that just didn't happen. What I got was much better than what I expected though.

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do you guys like camping? whats the meanest animal yall got in your woods? other than humans.
here its the myhtical black panther.... supposedly im too far south for any of the big jungle cats to live. all extinct 200 years ago,the science says, but theres been hundreds of sightings since the 1900s, rumors that they still exist in small numbers. 
crocodiles are terrifying, not much i can hope to do to one except run away. but i usually stay away from the water. wild boars can be pretty mean too. same for wild dogs, or tamed dogs off a leash. i always cay my hunting knife on me even if i can get in trouble.

always forget to say hi here, hope to be back soon

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hi all. been struggling to sleep lately, but imageboards and atmospheric tunes keep me company. Listen to this as you browse tonight and I promise you won't regret it.
https://youtu.be/kMX2vBVkNv8

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Hey anons. What's everyone listening to tonight? 
https://youtu.be/a771Vv_LBJI?si=eMrj_-06HQYNhVCW

>>1915
What kind of submissions are you looking for?

>>2117
I listened to Autechre's first Peel Session EP. I have to say I enjoyed it more than I expected given that I've only heard one other Autechre track that I could say I like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAY6Wn4qsbM

>>2117
>What kind of submissions are you looking for?
Articles, instructionals, opinion pieces, essays, short stories, art, photos, comics, and various other bits and bobs have been published in the Latezine so far. So, really, anything is fair game as long as it's /late/.

>>1995
Dont use google or duckduckgo though it will just show social media shit, you'll probably find good websites on wiby or marginalia, or browsing neocities and the tildeverse sites

>>2048
Daydreaming about people loving me, or listening to elliott smith.

>>2157
For me, it's Mac DeMarco.

We should play a game or something.

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I still have my VNs to start and finish.
But I do fell they kinda need a lot of commitment to finish, like not stop them in the middle and come back after 1 year, where I forgot 1/2 of what I already read.
My work take a lot of my time and I can't find a way to keep a routine of reading them.
I started SubaHibi when I was on my vacation, and stopped since them, if I come back to reading, I think I need to start all over.

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This morning, I had a very vivid dream about the things I want most in this world right now. I choose to believe that this means these things will happen and are already on their way to me. I will not allow anything to convince me otherwise.

It's late. I'm again in this weird state when I can't stop scrolling. I need to sleep, but... What's with the spell checker? Haha I turned off computer only to keep doing this from phone. Honestly something's very wrong with me. It's like I'm so afraid of looking around that I absolutely must scroll until exhaustion overtakes. I have no life and there is nothing I can do about it, literally. I just... I don't understand it. What, you really just go outside and talk to people or what? No heck you don't. Life is a dragging emptiness of screen time and wage slavery. At least some people see some meaning in this pointless ride. I don't, I guess that's why I'm so afraid of loosing my distraction. I am too weak to stare in void for too long. And my life is void. I've had enough! Stop it! Honestly I think I should have been killed. Why did I survive? Why can't I be left alone?

>>2209
Put down the phone sometimes. For real.

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The captcha here always has a c or an e in it and I can't tell them apart because of the line through it and I always guess wrong the first time.
Like right now.

>>2220
I don't like facing this emptiness around. My mind has lost its creative power, I am a walking hollow shell. I can not fill things around me with meaning. I am walking dead. Tech is the last thing that keeps me somehow nailed to this earth. Take away the phone and computer and I have to kill myself.

>>2222
I dislike not knowing if it's 0 (zero) or O sometimes.

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>>2223
Bro, it's a trick that's being played on you... by you. Build up a tolerance. Set it down for 30 seconds or a minute. Challenge yourself, if only to spite yourself. Your creativity can come back, you just need to practice. Go for a walk in the woods. Have some fresh air hit that musty brain. It's not going to instantly fix everything all at once, so don't expect it to, but I promise you it's not as hopeless as it seems.
I believe in you, anon.

Hot. It is way too hot. I am lying in bed and I feel fucking burning. I can never sleep in summer because of heat. Insane. Inhuman. And then the cold winters. I will try not to ramble today, but it is all just wrong somewhere I just need to understand where exactly.

>>2227
Could there be an environment that's right for you? Can we help you find it?

Late again. I will regret getting to sleep this late. I don't like nights. During the day I can dismiss everything but at night every thing that haunts me kick in and the pressure builds up and I just look up and goddamn is this my life? In this case I hope it's over soon and quickly I don't think I can manage struggle. Just a quick end.

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Ah... How much more resolved I am after midnight...
I say I'll change this time. I say I'll do it for real. And, by God, at that hour when I say it, I mean it...
But with sleep and dreams and the light of the sun I am pacified back to where I was yesterday. Every day.
I'm living in a Steely Dan song.
I'll make it this time. I'm ready to cross that fine line.

>>2225
100% true.
>>2239
Helps to remember that you are mortal.  The monotony of daily life turns weeks and months into a blur, but eventually the wheel stops turnin' round and round and there are no years left to reel in.

I have this problem, too, and there isn't an easy answer for it.  There was a period where it wasn't a problem, because I had a sense of purpose, to which this decade's nihilistic circus sideshow are profoundly caustic.  It's like I have to "transvaluate all values" to achieve a sense of purpose again, because the values I inherited turned out to be as worthless than zimbabwean banknotes.

What can one do?  Shake things up, remember that if you don't keep putting one foot in front of the other, you'll never know if there's a dawn over the horizon.
>>2117
>What's everyone listening to tonight? 
I remembered the Parasite Eve soundtrack.  It has some nice tunes, but this one is special.
https://inv.us.projectsegfau.lt/watch?v=RG-bRbBuaBI

I think it's the final boss theme.  Someday I may actually play through.

>>2240
>Someday I may actually play through.
Definitely recommend it, especially if you like experimental JRPG battle systems and John Carpenter's The Thing.

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I've been unable to sleep two of the past three nights. Feels a little strange because I'm staying at a friend's house and he's getting up for work soon and I've fully alert on his couch for 8 hours

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I was doing so well with my sleep schedule, and now here I am wide awake and in fact overflowing with energy at 2 in the morning. I don't know how I'm gonna make it through work if I don't fall asleep soon.

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I've been crying over someone who sadly chose to do her life without me for the past three nights.
No, I don't want anyone else in this world. And no, forcing it with others irl might be a bandaid patch. But I'll never care about someone as much as I did with this person in particular.
I hate every single night with passion.

good morning sers. i have came here to say that  i have pooped in the toilet

>>2261
Nice job, ace!

>>2256
Give it time, mate.

>>2264
It's been 3 years

>>2265
So what?

>>2256
Toughest part ab being in a phase like that is feeling that your life has always been shit and any positive feelings come from you fooling yourself

What helps me get through it is knowing that at some point in the future the pendulum swings back, and one day for no particular reason I'll wake up and go "damn I was really bugging fr"

Can't sleep because of intrusive suicidal thoughts. It's very late already and I need to wake up very early. My sleep schedule is broken and I can't fix it, because otherwise I won't get all things I need done. On the other hand with broken sleeping schedule and suicidal thoughts I no longer feel like I need anything except a hearty headshot. I'm going to have terrible headache when I wake up if I manage to sleep at all. Another day of agonizing misery. And then another. And then one more. I'm not complaining, but I am so incapable of handling this I think it would be fair to kill me as in natural selection. Why I am alive is bizarre to me. I am not even a human being actually. I can't help but deeply despise other people. I am a coward and fear gore, but still I often end up fantasizing about torturing and killing other people and get aroused by this. I think if nothing changes it will not take forever before I seriously start considering planned murder. I'm afraid of prisons though. My mental health has been steadily declining for a few years now. I just know it's over. Angel won't descent to me to lend help, and I can't manage it on my own. Hatred is too deep in me. Too bad. I have been despising other people since childhood, I always thought them stupid, incomplete and disgusting. If I lived in normal environment perhaps I could go by, but now it's over. There's no feasible way to set my mind straight again. I just wish I get myself killed before I actually harm somebody else. It feels so bad honestly. I mean when you experience pleasure and disgust at the same time. Murder is disgusting. But seeing somebody else suffer is so pleasurable. No I do not watch gore or violence videos, because I am disgusted with them. I think remnants of a human are still considerably stronger in me because I'm a coward. But I'm just too damn afraid of watching me deteriorate with every day. I'm loosing it. I need to get killed. I just don't know how to go about that.

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>>2227
It's either too cold here or too hot,, and I have no idea what to do.

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Stayed up too late and was too sleepy to go check out a thing and possibly get free plants... Need to do something cool today to make up for it. Not sure what though.

Two minutes until it is officially /late/ in my region.

It is now officially /late/ in my region.

Not quite there yet for me

>stayed up til 4am again
FUCK

>>2284
I'll be saying this soon enough.

>>2284
I've been doing that every night. I hate it.

>>2287
After a round of Space Station 13 it was 5 AM. Yippee.

Being human is a terrible torture of worthless existence combined with sheer dread of death. You just realize that it was unironically better when you didn't exist, but you can't quit because you're afraid. What the fuck. Life is a cognitive prison. Can't fully comprehend it, but it seems it is a certain establishment, akin to hell but with a different purpose or something. For some it's hell, for others it's something else. Don't understand it fully though. Rationally wanting to die and at the same time irrationally being afraid of it is a torture. Also I noticed that I am not happy being NEET, but I am equally unhappy being wageslave. Meaning I just don't pass natural selection and are not reasonable enough to be happy. I really should be just killed. Why does it have to be so complicated? Back then in medieval times people were dying left and right and everyone was OK with that. Industrial revolution ruined it all. It made dying psychologically complicated. Just one more day, bro. Yeah, just one more day. Anyone here remembers what for? I can't even build up my fantasy world like I used to, because I feel too dull. Why does nobody remember why I need to endure day after day without ability to improve my mental state? It's just going through it all with clenched teeth and closed eyes hoping for a quick death somewhere along the way. Somebody told me that back in the day people had it worse. How worse exactly? They were mercifully killed by hunger or whatever. Agonizing perhaps, but death is better than life. They weren't "forced" to live. They had it better. Absurd, but somehow brutal environment with minimal age expectancy is better than this dull, empty and gaudy world.

>>2298
“We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes - one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximum freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way.”

- Stephen Jay Gould

Here again.

>>2299
What's interesting? It is one of the most miserable conceivable universes where your options are limited to slaving away your entire life serving society of people you despise. The only available freedom is that of thought, but it also is limited by environment in which you developed. This Gay Jould or whatever is a mouthpiece of state serving people bread and circuses to keep 'em happy. Good job I don't care.

Morning /late/rs, (i hope it's ok to post in the morning).
Hope you all have a good day

Sometimes it gets hard to go to sleep at night

I'm camping, it's late and I've been wajed up by the rain. Hope I can sleep at least one more hour.

>>2311
Did you get one more hour of sleep?

I barely left my house this whole week due to summer classes. My whole life revolves around this shit rn. I finished the work for last week, but tomorrow morning, more work will begin. 
Summer is supposed to be for chilling, and the weather finally got nice, but i cant enjoy any of it because i am constantly stuck at home.
2 more weeks of this nonsense, the 2 weeks of no work, then back on to campus to start actual uni.
Such is my life and I hate this shit so much

>>2314
Try to keep your goals in mind, Anon. Remember why you signed up for this in the first place. Keep moving forward.

I’ve been staying up way too late, I work remote and sleep through half my working day, using a mouse jiggler to keep online. I get all my stuff done but I feel guilty for being so lazy

>>2321
I want to ask what a "mouse jiggler" is and why your internet connection would require one, but these are both terrifying questions.

>>2322
just something that keeps my mouse moving so i look online to my work apps

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>>2302
Cringe and 14pilled.

>>2325
I hate that this image has both rage comics and soyjaks mixed.
As if I needed more reasons to believe thar it's a good idea to mix past and current "memes".

>>2326
We must protect the purity of our memes.

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I posted on this board a year ago that one thing I'm looking forward to is my first day on the job. 13 months later my boss didn't extend my job contract, but it's okay, since even if he was willing to I wouldn't sign it. I think that one word that would wrap it up nicely is "disappointment". I expected to learn more, to do more of what I liked and to (obviously lol) get paid more. What I thought would be a job that required me to fix PCs and maybe make a website or two turned out to be a mix between a call center worker and a salesman. Meanwhile I could've worked at a production line of some candy factory and I would've gotten way more for less work. Oh well.
I've got one last semester to go before I graduate, I've saved up enough to pay for the tuition. There aren't many IT repair shops in the area, and none of them are looking for more technicians, so until my government gibs run out or I find a new job that I'll be willing to work in, I'll play some vidya, watch some videos, and jerk off. For someone like me, there aren't any good connections to land a cushy job, and the economy isn't the best at the moment. I became 'depressed' again after getting laid off (the sort of 'feel so bad you would rather just lay down in the bed until you grow old and die than do anything' type of depressed) but I think that I've realized something: While getting a large paycheck to afford all the things you want is nice, the pain of going through with it is not worth it, and I'd rather look back on my life when I grow old and think "a lot of it has been rather shit, but I think I've managed to have as much fun as I could, so I didn't waste it".
Hope you guys are having fun during this day/afternoon/night/whatever. Don't forget to hydrate yourselves. (You wouldn't want kidney stones.)

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>>2337
I have a similar feeling, I got this job almost two years ago and it's been, to summarize it, ok. It has a lot of nice benefits (fully remote, little actual work to do, great benefits) but a lot of really shitty tradeoffs too (dealing with employees/contractors bitching at you (internal IT job), management that really doesn't care about anything beyond line must go up, inverse-imposter syndrome where I feel I'm the only one that actually gets how things work around here). In a weird way I sort of miss going into an office and interacting with people, it's damaged my social life more than I thought it would. But I get lots of time to work on my own personal projects and fuck around. I can lay down on the floor or in my bed when calls are slow, try doing that in an office.
If I were you I'd look more at local repair shops, I worked at one for about two years on and off and it was pretty nice. Most days we had fuckall to do, while others you were running cat6 cable through grungy attics filled with cobwebs and probably venemous spiders. Also didn't help that boomer boss didn't understand anything about modern computing (used the same admin password for every single client and kept every customer's login info in plaintext files on his server, including government contractors) and there were two occasions I should've just quit on the spot. But it did give me enough practical experience to work my way up to this "real" job I have now.
But I've figured out that I hate IT. More specifically, I hate the people involved with it. The fun I had from fucking around with Win98 shitboxes a decade ago is gone, there is only password resets and users complaining they can't find the Start menu. It sucks, but I'm working towards becoming self-sufficient and seeing where it goes.

>>2337
I hope to look back on my life and think "a lot of it hasn't been shit."

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How ya livin, folks?

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>>2343
Not half bad. Getting my shit together.

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>thread for a cool project
>its one of those threads which are surprisingly comfy for a generic imageboard
>until some fixated kid recently came in and started posting off-topic politics trying to flame people
>luckily no-one is replying to them, but it's only a matter of time before some nonsense polshit derail starts
The board does actually have rules about it, but I half-expect the staff to do nothing until the place devolves into another generic, useless shitposting board. Or maybe I'm just too jaded and pessimistic.

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>>2337
>hydroposting
thank you wet anon

>>2351
>thread for a cool project
We need some more of those over here.

>>2350
As am I. Lets do this.

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Fall isn't too far away Anons. For me, September marks the beginning of the end of the year. I intend to make something good of it, diverging from my usual habits and routines to find something new, and maybe something I lost. The monotone needs to be kicked in the teeth every once in awhile.

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moving out from my moms apartment soon and moving together with friends.
Very anxious about the move and dunno if its the right choice.
I hope you guys are all doing alright

>>2376
>>2377
Good luck anons. Fall is a wonderful chance to get recentered. 

I come back to life in the fall - I can't handle heat so I stay inside all summer.

>>2376
>I intend to make something good of it
Excellent. Keep moving forward.

>>2377
It'll probably suck in some ways for the first year or two. Just put your head down and stick with it, Anon. It'll be worth it in the end, I'm sure.

>>2378
>I come back to life in the fall - I can't handle heat so I stay inside all summer.
I'm the opposite. I come back to life once the warm weather comes and get moody once the signs of fall are evident. 

If I came into money, I think I'd head someplace warmer. I've been sperging out on Weather Spark lately comparing my local climate to other parts of the country. I'm not sure I'd be accepted elsewhere though.

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>>2379
If you could walk/explore anywhere you wanted at night, anywhere at all, where would it be?

For myself many come to mind, but among the first is a school. There's something otherworldly about being in a school after the sun sets.

>>2399
One of my favorite places to be is an empty convention center. The idea of all this space I can do whatever I want in is intoxicating. I run around like I'm 8. I daydream of living in a magnificent compound. This is what living in tight spaces and not being allowed outside does to an MFer.

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I apologize for blogposting but I need to post this somewhere and I feel like this is the least likely place to piss people off with a short post where it won't just get buried in a /b/ thread instantly.
I pined after a girl from 16 to 21, foolish, shouldn't have that long. She was very confusing, would wrestle with me and initiate the kind of play you'd expect from a girl before wanting to take things further. Anytime I'd try kissing her she'd pull away though. It made me insane and contributed to rejection problems I have in general. I did finally give up but still remained friends for some years after. Fast forward to being 24, dumb bitch gets pregnant with some random guy. Me and mom help her through it all for the final few months because she hid it from everyone. Now a few years fast forwarded from there she treats her kid like she doesn't exist and takes no responsibility at all. The grandparents are raising the kid now essentially. 
It's so fundamentally gross that I'm the only man who ever actually cared about her, so much so that I even valued her after having given up on romance, and yet, I am now pushed away all the same and she's a complete train wreck of a human being.
I guess karma is real, she's generated so much bad karma that now it controls her. I don't think I'm important cosmically, but the action of treating me like shit for so long seems to have lead into a pattern of being unable to form proper relationships or value what truly matters in life, I think there is something cosmic about doing bad things and then creating a cycle of bad behavior and having it consume you.
I don't know what to feel anymore on the end of it other than that things could have been different and better for everyone involved if one person decided to just get over their own damn ego. Only now at the age of 26 am I finally ascending into having a real relationship with an unrelated girl after over a decade of pain.

>>2100
I LOVE camping. I'm more of a tarp guy, too.

>>2406
There is no karma, but good and bad character tends to catch up.

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Hello /late/, its nice to be posting again. Been out of the loop for some time now. What happened with anon.cafe? I remember being overjoyed to find some semblance of old 8ch culture that had continued on after its fall there. Seems like so long ago now and I have gotten so much older. Hell, I have a wife and children now, but I remember the old times like they were yesterday. I hope you guys are doing well, and I'm glad youre still here. I'm glad I found you again.

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>>2413
>What happened with anon.cafe?
The administration made an abrupt announcement they would shutter the site after 4 years. At least they gave us all a couple month's notice. A few of us sent out the scouts, fought off the indians, blazed a trail or two, and here we all are here in our new home, thanks to the kind generosity of Trashmin. Some of the back-and-forth are contained here, Anon : ( >>>/meta/64, >>>/meta/538 ) .

Hope that helps. Glad to hear you found your way back!

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Thanks for the info, brother. I look forward to shitposting with you once again

>>2417
Nprb. Gratz on the wife and kid. I hope you're preparing for eventualities to help it.

>>2413
Another Anon makes it back. Welcome back to /late/.

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>>2418
Many thanks, and yeah we have some solid plans in place and plenty of supplies in case stuff doesnt work out. I'm thankful for the time I spent on /k/ and the many irl friends I made through it.

>>2419
Thank you, Anon, its really good to be home

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>>2406
As the Buddha once said "You dodged a bullet."

>>2417
We're getting the team back together.

>>2406
>just get over their own damn ego
It's women we are talking about after all
>Only now at the age of 26 am I finally ascending
I always had the real notion but i ended up "getting it" at 30 very recently, now as a wizard i have given up and my end of pursuits has given me time and effort to make money and hobby results but i feel i took too long to get it, although some people never get it so to say.
>real relationship with a girl
Can't relate mister

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>>2266
What do you mean so what? I still care, I wish I could have some magical spell to make things work when they could've worked, but I've done it all wrong and there isn't a going back
There is nothing I care about in my life besides getting a job than her. I want to die.

>>2583
So this: 3 years isn't that long of a time, especially when you're trying so hard to hold on to something that you wish was there, but isn't. Focusing on an absence makes the void sting more. Easier said than done, but just know this too shall pass, should you allow it to.
Ok, so you've done it all wrong and there isn't going back. Then why sweat it? It's done. It's over. It's okay to take a deep breath and let it go. Assess your mistakes, sure. Analyze if they were really mistakes or the consequences of things beyond your control. Try not to make the same mistakes in the future.

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It's one of those kind of nights.

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If you wait long enough, hedonic treadmill brings you back to average. So, why should I care if I'm happy or sad in the present? It'll go back to average anyways.

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>>2586
I just can't believe someone so pretty, someone so smart, someone so virtuous could exist.
Worse, someone like that could exist, give me the light of day, and for a few weeks make me feel so alive. Like never have I been in my whole life.
I don't think I'll be able to let this go. I seriously wish I could just die. I hate so much. I wanna go back to thinking I'm an unlovable stinking piece of shit, that was a more comfortable life than this.

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Considering others are blogposting I'm going to blogpost a little. Everyone on dating apps seems utterly insane the problem is that I don't know where to find people around my age irl as someone who is self-employed online and who doesn't go to college. I wish we still had ethnic clubs, churches, etc that weren't only filled with elders. This society is dying, there is no community space to meet humans as a human anymore. 
So far I have had 3 girls from these cursed apps use me as an emotional platform for months only to tell me they were lesbians. And I've had 2 girls also build up a similar rapport only to tell me they were getting a divorce with their current husbands I had no idea even existed, at which point I cut things off.  
These are people I'll talk to for a while online, meet in person, even get a hug or two, and they they pull something cruel out of nowhere. If it were one or two people perhaps the problem would be me, but it really doesn't seem that way anymore. 
I know that even saying I'm talking to women is going to drive some people insane, but honestly guys the grass is not greener over here for me. I'm just emotionally drained, still touch starved, and feeling angrier than ever. 
It's all just too much to handle. I feel less mad the 5th time something like this has happened compared to how devastating it's been in the past but I really don't know where to go from here I've been trying for years. 
You can self-improve and self-improve, and put your best self forward, and even know that the problem isn't you at a point, and yet the crippling sadness of the reality before you doesn't change despite taking the best actions you can.

>>2592
What do you think you did wrong?

>>2593
>I don't know where to find people around my age irl
Mostly, I just want to be near people for a few minutes, and even that seems impossible to manage.

>>2592
Yeah, to know things could be better, but you'll never have it is far worse than to just simply never have it and know about it.  In the latter case you can suck copium, but in the former, you have to just kind of live with the fact that the rest of your life will be terrible.

You have any idea for how you're going to cope with the rest of your life being absolutely miserable from here on out, dude?

>>2593
Yeah, dating apps are basically just institutionalizing females scamming men.
Most success I've heard from from guys comes from arranged dating.  E.g., people's parents hooking them up.

>>2593
Dating apps are a black abyss. Stare too long into it and it will stare into you.

I feel kinda good tonight... How are yall doing

All good here. Bittersweet.

All nice, late at night.

What active, text-only chans are there?

>>2609
https://afternoon.dynu.com/

It's 3 AM and I'm currently eating bacon bits and Olive Garden dressing.

>>2611
Hell yeah, brother. I'm trying to catch up on some net tasks, and put my head back together. Tonight it's Roxy Music - Country Life.

>>2609
minichan dot net is busy

tinychan dot net and ordinary dot pw are not but I stop in there as well.

I guess just life in general. I was daydreaming (I'm guessing the term doesn't change no matter what time you're doing it) a couple minutes ago but snapped myself out of it.
>>2611
3 AM here right now for me too, I myself cooked some chicken nuggets.

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Hi, I've just been thinking about how fun going online and talking to people from all around the world is. I like to imagine it as this sort of cafe that no one knows about except for a few cool people.

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hi late
im doing ok i guess
feel a little lost in life

>>2619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC9hvqjJ4LM

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>>2618
Hi Anon, I think you're right!
> Welcome to downtown Coolsville. < Population: us.

qott: reminiscing on years past, the first time I played pokemon platnium, and the bart baker parodies I used to listen to, it makes me feel simultainously too old an too young
I wish to blogpost about doublechan, and the trifecta of /liberty/, /monarchy/ and /fascist/...
2019, a few days after saint tarrant killed those muzzies, I remember thinking "huh, there must be something the government doesn't want me to know if they banned the manifesto this quickly" I became a nazi quickly after reading the 'Great Replacement' and shitposted on 8/pol/, sturring up the adl and other faggots, fun times, a few months later I became a libertarian after spending some time on /liberty/ than I went to a monarchst, spent some time on /monarchy/ then spent a good six months as a fascist, even did a project defending fascism and the efficiency of a benevolent dictator, though I would later become an anarcho-capitalist for the remainder of 2020 and into late 2022 when I reverted into a Hoppeian Libertarian and have more or less been one since
I lost contact with /fascist/ after julay got glowed on, we lost 80% of the userbase each time we moved, and with the failure of hoppe-sama.xyz after less than a month we were more fractured than ever
/moarchy/ and /liberty/ were welcomed into the cafe, but /fascist/ was not, cast aside to fend for itself, it went from bunker to bunker before disappearing altogether
/liberty/ and /monarchy/ found a home on moe, but /facsist/ is lost to me, but /liberty/ and /monarchy/ are dead, no more discussion, not even /abdl/ bulling them like on julay anymore, the trifecta is dead and nearly forgotten, I wish 8chan could have weathered the storm, just so these board could have survived...

RIP 8chan, my favourite website

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Long time no see. I went for it. I almost made it that time. I mean I did it, but I burned out a little. Fizzled. Sizzled a little, even. I'm going to go for it again, but right now my head hurts and I'm damn tired. Like usual sleep never seems to help.

at this point in time, i alone exist upon this board, i could post anything i want and yet i never feel more powerless, knowing that it is possible that it could be the final thing anyone ever posted

>>2638
You're not alone anon. This is just a slow board but we are still here.
Why so sad ?

>>2638
Yikes! That's an eerie thought!

>>2639
Yep. Here for my monthly check-in. Hope everyone is well and see you all in December!

>>2638
>>2639
Ever since late.city shutdown, I feel the anons have been progressively moving on or given up on /late/.

>>2643
I don't know about other people, but I check in here every night. I just don't post very often.

>>2644
Yeah, same here.

we'll keep it moving

>>2644
I keep this thread in a bookmark folder, sometimes I remind about it and lurk at the new posts.

>>2643
Speaking for myself I've always been a lurker. Post like one message a month across all the sites I regularly visit.

>>2644
I was gone for a while but when it's slow it's hard for it not to be slow.

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hey, late.

i don't know what to say, i'm just a lurker. 

still, i'm attaching a wallpaper. hope you like it!

>>2657
I like your wallpaper, good job!

being too tired to sleep to pain

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Ohhh I'm so glad I found this place again. I wish I could sleep, but there are too many things that need doing

>>2630

What happened to 8chan caused me to study business resiliency (continuity) and disaster recovery. I'm by no means a professional, but it's enraging to encounter the equal parts smug equal parts dismissive attitudes of most amateur project managers, project admins, and their ilk - they don't even want to think about contingency let alone plan and forget about allocating resources. Then the sum of all fears happens, the gods spread the cheeks to ram cock in fucking ass, and they ugly cry. It's never their fault either. Typed this and almost didn't post it.

> What's on your mind, tonight?
Just relaxing and playing some vidya. Everspace 2 finally had a high enough discount.

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i'll latetape until i become who i want to be. hello to the future from the past

>>2735
>didn't run over a cryptid crossing the road
Better luck next time.

Back again

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>>2735
each molecule of citric acid emits three protons into water. i thought that this setup would be able to produce a visible effect (glowing), but nothing definite happened, even when i tried again with five batteries in series. the citric acid seemed to flow ever so slightly from the anode to the cathode, which is evidence of both dissociation and non-zero voltage: the deprotonated citrate ions (each with a charge of -3e) are accelerated away from the anode and towards the cathode.
next time, i'll use a stronger voltage. i want to tape something exciting.

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>>2593
I agree so much with so much unironically. I hang with jehovah's witnesses just because its a community made of an interest not of obligation. And im not even allowed to be a christian lol. I talk with the elderly (dont tell i said this) about to how things have changed and how different is this world from what they were born into. They're so nice even if i arent gonna be a jehovah's witness. Maybe i will but not now. I just gravivate towards the elderly for they lived in a time where communication took some effort so they know the worth of their words and thus have set boundaries unlike today. This world is perfect.

It's just about to be 5 AM here/now. What do you guys feel about 5 AM?

>>2774
>What do you guys feel about 5 AM?
too late to sleep, too early to get up

>>2774
I don't like it because I'm prone to staying up until around that time and then being mad that I let myself stay up that late again. My sleep schedule is all messed up.

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FUcking finally, I finally managed to get MITSUZEN HDI-10 to work flawlessly, Jesus, that took me 3 1/2 months

>>2774
Despite being a night person 5 AM is the time I prefer to wake from. There's something about beginning your day at the same time the darkness begins to subside...

>>2796
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I learned last night that my hometown is getting fancy condos built a few streets down from my childhood house and have been both depressed and angry since then. It ended up giving me insomnia. I was pretty sure before that that they'd knocked down the grungy but characterful abandoned building that had stood on the lot previously, but I hate to see my favorite place go from a quiet little city where average Joes raise families to getting overtaken by rich jackwipes who just want a convenient location to go boating and don't care about maintaining the charm of the place. I sometimes would even daydream about the old building being remodeled into an unusual set of apartments that kept as much of the old look and feel as possible.

I feel like I'll always have a hole in my soul from having to move as a kid, and I'm afraid that I might never be able to move back to the area again. Before it's too late, at least. Change is inevitable in life, but it's not always a good thing. It's a terrible feeling knowing that you can't get the past back.

>>2809
>Change is inevitable in life, 
That's a good thing, as long as it's conducted with wisdom, by men of wisdom.
>but it's not always a good thing.
Especially if your land has had it's ((( leadership ))) usurped by kikes who:
*  Hate and despise you and your people
*  Actually hate their useful golems as well, lol
*  Want a mud-colored race of serfs who are easily-controlled rather than you.
>tl;dr
There are no political solutions, Anon.

>>2810
>*  Want a mud-colored race of serfs who are easily-controlled rather than you.
The town in question has a bunch of Mexicans living there now, so that tracks.

>>2809
Same here, old neighborhood turned into RV and Boat storage. I used to drive through for the nostalgia but there's nothing left for me there - was bringing me down more than anything.

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>>2812
That's awful. At least the place I'm talking about only had a few buildings knocked down, although it was hard to recognize at first. My old street did have some stupid shed put up on a tiny patch of grass though. If I were a billionaire, I'd buy the land just to demolish it.

I feel bad for people living in more high-demand locations where overdevelopment runs wild. I'm at least lucky enough to live somewhere that isn't considered especially glamorous. I'm glad my family didn't settle in somewhere like Florida that too many people are flocking to, driving up prices, and recklessly building properties that spoil the natural beauty. Stuff like that still goes on where I live, but not to the same extent.

>>2814
Florida anon here, the development is out of control with new mediocre businesses popping up everywhere like molehills and obliterating anything that isn't underwater. Yet all these brand new spots are somehow in a position where they can be picky enough to all give me radio silence. Being unemployed in this state is rough.

>>2815
Yeah, I've heard the job market is pretty harsh down there. I don't think I'd want to try my hand at living in Florida unless I had a lot of money, and even then I don't think I'd be comfortable on the coasts living elbow to elbow with a bunch of extremely rootless transplants who drive out the natives, destroy what's there, and act like they're on permanent vacation. I think I'd feel kind of guilty even moving to Florida given how bad things are becoming. Unfortunately, I think it might take a huge hurricane to get some much-needed development restrictions put in place.

It also kind of makes me wonder what's going to happen to the other Southern states (in the Mason-Dixon sense) that Northerners are moving to to escape the cold and gloom. I've never been a very sociable person, but several kids I knew when I was younger ended up leaving for Southern states after graduating. Florida is a pretty special case, but I imagine the transplants and halfbacks in places like Tennessee and the Carolinas could be helping to erode what's left of the cultural identities of those states. I'm not saying they're necessarily bad people or anything, but the average person just doesn't seem to care if they're potentially running roughshod over others by relocating.

Hey I just wanna manage to fall asleep alright?

posting in the morning

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Working the weekend so off to work in a bit - will be home late. I love the drive home - lately glad the roads have less traffic, my car is running rough. It's embarrassing having to restart it!

>>2825
That's really late!

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>>2809
>I feel like I'll always have a hole in my soul from having to move as a kid, and I'm afraid that I might never be able to move back to the area again.
my main drive for the last 8 years has been to make enoug money to move back to my country of birth
everyone there is growing and having families while i endlessly grind in this hellhole
it's haunting

im watching psycho pass and holy shit is it jarring to hear stock source engine sound effects, completely takes me out of the moment, any and all tension gone, because the foley artist couldn't be bothered to pick something that isnt the most recognizable sound effects in gaming

>>2816
>but I imagine the transplants and halfbacks in places like Tennessee and the Carolinas could be helping to erode what's left of the cultural identities of those states.
Yeah they are. I can confirm that first hand. They helped bring in a lot of drugs too.

>>2829
Hopefully you can make it back. I'm lucky enough that I only live a few hours away from where I moved from, although it happened at a pretty young age. I'm kind of concerned that I'll be basically stuck in psychological limbo between a place I've never liked but have lived in for a long time and one that I'm strongly attached to but might feel like a stranger in now that so much time has passed. 

Were you just out of school when you moved?
>>2833
I always thought it was bad enough the way a lot of Southerners basically disown their own history, but with all these people coming in from elsewhere that don't care about any of that it looks like it'll be gone for good.

I have zero real ancestral ties to the South and don't have any serious cultural connection to it in a broader sense, but I was surrounded by Civil War history growing up and I hate to see all that get forgotten and Southerners get demonized for what happened. It wasn't that long ago when rebel flags were used even outside the U.S. as symbols of sticking it to authority, and now people are gutless fags who clutch their pearls over it.

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>>2762
I stayed up all night playing with smoke. The daylight revealed a fog. I drove back to what used to be my favorite place to take walks, back when I really believed it was magical. It's still just as beautiful.

I am farther away from who I wish to be. The only time I'm less than certain that things won't shake out in a way that's good for me is when I'm not sober.

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Sometimes think about hanging myself.

>>2838
Fortune: Try changing your outlook to obtain wisdom

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>>2837
No tape this time, I haven't recorded anything new that didn't come out as dark noise. I took apart the video camera and repaired the lens cover spring lock after it started malfunctioning due to impact. It took at least an hour to reassemble the thing, it comes apart into four pieces (three of them awkwardly constrained by soldered-on ribbon cable interconnections) and I managed to end up with an extra screw in the end, so I had to take the camera apart a second time and find its place before working out the devilish puzzle of snapping it all back together once more.
Even if I had something recorded, I wouldn't be able to digitize it since my computer system is now almost completely barren. Local and cloud, I deleted... everything. It's all gone, forever. I'm just an ordinary nobody now.

Here's to giving Linux one last try for this decade... please treat me and my hardware well, CachyOS.

still thinking about hanging myself

>>2895
I understand, I've thinked a lot about that myself to. Just don't do, things will get better anyway.

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Well its late somewhere. just thinking I miss Anon.cafe

>>2901
I miss it too. I think a lot about anons that posted there that for whatever reason were away during the migration and did or will come back to a 404 and don't know where to go to find us.
I hope they all make it here someday.

>>2902
I'd say that if they managed to find anon.cafe, then they will find us here at trashchan.xyz . Both were part of the Webring basically from it's beginning.

>What's on your mind tonight?

I can't help but think about this man I met, I didn't really *meet* him, but the details aren't super important. I'm pretty sure I heard his last words. I don't think anyone else cares about this. Death for most of us is no longer sudden, it's a series of fading in and out of consciousness inside a hostpital as you slowly drift towards unavoidable death. He was one of the few that still die suddenly, but people don't seem to care he had anything to say right before he died. It would seem to me almost as if none cared if he had anything to say at all! I ifnd it odd that I'm the only one left I can find with this sentimentallity, when words are how we share ideas and feelings with each other. I would assume that this would mean the last time you shared any thought with another would be special, but it appears I assumed wrong. I wonder if he understood his own words, it was clear he didn't understand mine. He may not have even been aware he was speaking. Even though I've thought a lot about this interaction, I don't think I carry his memory or his words with me forever, I simply have not the room for it. He is someone else's someone, and they will cherish and do better with his memory far more than I.

>>2905
That's pretty heavy anon.

>>2902
Yeah, hopefully they'll find their way back.
>>2903
How many people even paid attention the the Webring though? I was under the impression that a lot of people would just stick to their main site and not really venture out onto other parts of the Webring.
>>2905
That's something I imagine I'd be thinking a lot about if it happened to me.

>>2909
>I was under the impression that a lot of people would just stick to their main site and not really venture out onto other parts of the Webring.
Not sure where you got that idea from, Anon. The Webring is great. I was part of the Freddit 8ch days, so I understand extended communities on the Interwebs. I know I'm not alone. Once the glowniggers killed that place, the Webring carried on that tradition. I frequent at least 4 or 5 sites on it, and more than a dozen different boards, besides my home board.

>>2905
I was housesitting with my Grammy when she died. I always regret not spending more time with her during those last few days. Let's all do our best! Cheers Anon.  :)

>>2910
>Not sure where you got that idea from, Anon. The Webring is great.
I read someone else saying that, and that seemed kind of in line with what I thought. If I remember right, they were saying that 8chan's system was better due to being so centralized. It just seemed to me like there were boards that were neglected due to a significant number of users not really exploring the other boards. I've never had any hard evidence for it or anything.

I've always been the type to check out different boards, so I get the frustration over seeing sluggish ones that look like they're struggling. I still try to check them out every so often and leave a post, although I don't feel as driven now as I did a few years ago.

Morning soon but I haven't slept for no good reason. Thought maybe I just don't notice the exhaustion but laying in bed didn't help. Maybe a while longer...

>>2896
i don't like that line of reasoning, it just sounds like hopium.

>>2920
What's wrong with hopium? Not empirical enough for you?
How's this: if you have nothing to cling on to but blind faith, then the one way to guarantee your failure (suicide) is rejecting faith. Our last lines of defense, as humans, are all irrational, because when nothing makes sense, your only choice is to play along. Do not kill yourself, retard, just tell yourself it will get better "just because" until you find a better reason. Hopium is pointless and that's the point, just use it until it gets you where you need to be.

>>2921
It doesn't get better. The only thing that changes is amount of pain you receive. After realizing stark emptiness of existence and lack of substance to anything you can obtain, there is no going back. If you're unconditionally happy, consider yourself lucky that your lies are satisfactory for your specific case. I'm yet to find a lie that makes me feel less worthless.

>>2926
Who says I or anyone else is unconditionally happy? Me personally I'm actually quite miserable, chronically suicidal since I was barely twelve years old in fact, but I still have things like goals to work towards and values to keep. I'm guessing you're aged 16-25 or so... Trust me that this nihilism shit is not it. If you're looking for a scientific or somehow "objective" purpose for life, you won't find it. You know that value is entirely subjective, right? You choose what's important. These aren't "lies" as much as they are theories, like in engineering. Engineers know that theories like Newtonian mechanics are "wrong" but they use it anyway because it is the best suited means to an end. What end? You choose. But being a nihilist and not an heroing is indefensible, because it is the recognition of holding a belief system that reveals nor accomplishes anything. If a nihilist doesn't A. stop being a nihilist or B. kill himself then he's just a whiner spreading negativity for its own sake, which if he was really a nihilist then why would he even bother?

So just choose a reason to live. Maybe there's something you want to put into the world before you die, or maybe you have a particular affinity for a certain kind of unloved animal which would suffer more without you (join a wildlife rescue). If youve found the end of the line of questioning "what can the world do for me" then start asking "what can I do for the world" and find purpose.

By the way, happiness is a sort of red herring. Seek fulfillment instead.

>>2921
What if I don't want to grow old? What if I find shame in letting age rot away my entire mind and body until some disease does me in? What if I don't belong here? What if I am forced to acknowledge as truth the overwhelming feeling of dread and homesickness and the feeling that I've been imprisoned in this body against my will? How does any of that "get better"?

What kind of "fulfillment" do you have to offer? Do I take medications to fuck my brain over so I can waste my life working and drag a broken, useless corpse across an arbitrary finish line 50 or 60 years from now? Go to some building and worship some evil semitic dragon with a bunch of other spiritually empty knuckleheads? Hobbies, eating, worthless consumerism?

>>2932
>What if I don't want to grow old? What if I find shame in letting age rot away my entire mind and body until some disease does me in?
Then live dangerously.
>What if I don't belong here? 
No one who ends up on this board does. Normalcy and belonging are ironically extremely narrow criteria, as I'm sure you're aware.
>What if I am forced to acknowledge as truth the overwhelming feeling of dread and homesickness and the feeling that I've been imprisoned in this body against my will?
Are you transgender, otherkin, something like that...? I don't know what you mean by imprisoned in your body. You are your body, and all you choose to do with it. Figure it out. Life's not fair, some of us are dealt a truly rotten hand, but you won't get anywhere by pubescently bellyaching about it. I'm speaking from experience, not from on high.
>How does any of that "get better"? 
It doesn't, and anyone who tells you that it does doesn't understand either the question or/and their answer. Nothing just "gets better," you make it better, or don't.

>What kind of "fulfillment" do you have to offer?
I offer you nothing. It's everyone's own responsibility to find their rhythm, and you know that. Do you have any talents to hone or passions to kindle? I can guarantee you that your experience of life is a slice so much more narrow than you can imagine. If you haven't found your calling then you haven't looked far and wide enough. Buck the status quo until you settle into a track that feels right.

If all else fails, then you must fundamentally transform as a person and stop being who you are now. I used to hear "that's just not me" in response to suggestions quite often, the answer is to just do it anyway because what is "just you" clearly isn't working. Transform and your attitude, subjective experience will follow. Psychedelics can expedite the process, but my impression is that doing it slow and sober is more likely to be effective and permanent.

>>2933
Based advice.

>>2928
>Me personally I'm actually quite miserable, chronically suicidal since I was barely twelve years old in fact, but I still have things like goals to work towards and values to keep
You do realize these things directly contradict each other?
>Trust me that this nihilism shit is not it
I have no idea what is nihilism, to be honest. Read the wiki article a bunch of times still no clue.
>You choose what's important
You do realize it doesn't work that way? You can't "choose" something you don't believe into. And you can't believe something until you learn it to be true. And I don't see much capability in me to distinguish true and false.
>What end? You choose.
Really? How is that supposed to happen? Should I just spontaneously become eager to bang my head against the wall just because... because what?
>because it is the recognition of holding a belief system that reveals nor accomplishes anything
There is no system of belief that reveals or accomplishes anything except a lie to hold onto to not be shattered to pieces. Like a mental comfort zone. Everyone needs a footing, but since there isn't one, holding onto a lie is all that's really left. In a way, the lies are the truth, but that hardly makes me enthusiastic. Perhaps the only truth is that there isn't anything to life except following the immediate impulse while trying to ensure survival and minimize pain.
>B. kill himself
Yeah really. That's quite a top tier argument. Not happy? Kill yourself. But that just doesn't work like that. And it's the whole point. The whole intricacy of the trap that is life. You may be begging for death and yet unable to deal in onto yourself.
>So just choose a reason to live.
Chosen a few minutes back, you can rest assured.
>>2933
not that anon
>No one who ends up on this board does.
Really? There are anons with wives and if don't confuse anything even children here. That's in no way "not belonging here". Just having a wife completely disqualifies you as a misfit, by definition. Besides, "not belonging" isn't a circumstance, it's a feeling.
>I don't know what you mean by imprisoned in your body.
Interesting to hear this from a man who's been chronically suicidal since 12 years old.
>you make it better, or don't.
Unfortunately you can't just "make it better", because usually you don't begin to imagine how.
>If all else fails, then you must fundamentally transform as a person and stop being who you are now.
Which in other words means to stop being a person and simply accommodate circumstances to achieve a state of the least pain. Some people end up enjoying it though, somehow. Maybe it's not so bad and the identity thing doesn't truly exist. But again, it's not something you can just do. It's not clear at all how you can suddenly "make yourself another person". For all I know, wageslaving to get food is a transformation enough. You change constantly anyway. No really, what do you mean? "Figure it out yourself"? Thanks man been doing it for years now.

>>2936
I really wish you would just listen and try instead of Neo-dodging the point so you can deboonk everything with your "nothing really matters, man" epiphany.
So nothing really matters. Go live your life. Or don't. It doesn't matter.

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>>2849
why Cachy particularly ? never heard of it before, I was aware of Artix which offers freedom from soystemd and Arco which comes with a lot of ricing otb
in fact, now that Arch has a graphical installed I don't see what's the appeal of Manjaro anymore

>>2903
>if they managed to find anon.cafe, then they will find us here at trashchan.xyz
>>2909
>How many people even paid attention the the Webring though? I was under the impression that a lot of people would just stick to their main site and not really venture out onto other parts of the Webring.
that's how I ended up here

>>2921
Based for unapologetically sticking to low brow no-nonsense attitudes which is what masculinity has always been about
but cringe for feeding an obviously drunk self-indulging little bitch
Remember that Nietszche predicted this: humanity will divide itself between those who have the will to power and the rest who will embrace nihilism. It's not a prediction when you think about it, but the way the world has always worked

>>2939
>Based for unapologetically sticking to low brow no-nonsense attitudes which is what masculinity has always been about
Masculinity is not relevant to me. I can't control everything, but nothing is immune to my influence. Apply the spirit of engineering to direct qualitative experience, everything else is superfluous, even self and value systems. That is the bottom line of what I am saying.
>cringe for feeding an obviously drunk self-indulging little bitch
Feeding how? What he refuses to realize is that he is nearly identical to a past version of me. I'm as close as he will ever get to seeing his future self step out of a time machine and saying hello. He also refuses to realize that there are a million of him alive today (mostly teenagers) and that a gorillion of him were alive in the past. He just thinks that he's too uniquely enlightened by the void for any of his ilk's present and historical experiences to teach him anything. See the way that he reflexively dismisses everything with moral/merit/intellect/truth/antinormalcy value judgements? (For Heaven's sake he puts hobbies in the same category as consumerism).
It's abundantly clear he has contracted/developed a sort of, er, how should I put it, memetic pathogen which guards itself with self-prioritizing beliefs and values at the expense of the host, similar to a viral autoimmune disorder or rabies.
It's an intangible mental illness that most independent philosophers are touched by at some point (I've heard an argument that almost all philosophy is a consequence of being affected by this pathomeme), it doesn't come from any neurochemistry/neurophysiology but it does interface with both of course. Something the ancients might have called a demon if they weren't so busy ascribing schizophrenia and migraines to evil spirits.
Just like a biological virus, it mutates and evolves to adapt to the changing world and is in an arms race with psychotherapy. Actually, it's beating therapists' asses, because most of them have no concept of memetics (and if they did, their rehabilitation rate would be too high to be profitable), which is why he is actually wise for being skeptical of the profession.
All I have "fed" him is my personal experience (of which his own is a subset) and the intangible technology to make the best of a dogshit situation. Just trying to tell him what no one else in his life will, if not to help him, then at least to learn from him, and hopefully help future lurkers. I ignored his last reply because it was written by the pathogen and there's nothing else I can tell him. It's all up to him now, if only he could realize it. (The pathogen is rare enough that it thrives on modern Western and Eastern societies raising children completely ignorant of their own capacity for self-determination, an unconscious belief system of ignorance the pathogen itself also bolsters so that it can never be self-determined away by the host. This is why psychedelics are sometimes effective in treating such memes: roughly, to skip on all the neuronal dynamics techno babble, the erratic brain activity partially dissolves the barriers that the meme has raised in the neurons and allows the whole state of the brain to drift.)

TL;DR: Nihilanon has mental AIDS that makes him forget that he doesn't have to be himself by limiting his scope of how much of his self is his self and not something rigid like his bone structure. Future readers, question everything. "Why" and "what if" will take you farther than any rocketship (_(_)::::::::::D~~

>>2933
>Then live dangerously.
Too afraid.
>I don't know what you mean by imprisoned in your body.
I'm none of that other shit. I just know I'll go somewhere better than this place when I die, and that is my home. I see it in my dreams. How I get there is irrelevant. A car isn't the driver, this body isn't me. That's all there is to it.
>Do you have any talents to hone or passions to kindle?
Maybe. My mind is a little too messy right now, and I'm not in any position to be able to follow passions due to life circumstances.
>then you must fundamentally transform as a person and stop being who you are now
I agree, it happens every night. I try to do meditation, but I have trouble focusing. The conclusion I've reached is that the most expeditious path to transformation is death.
>Psychedelics can expedite the process
I want to try psychedelics, but I'm not in any position to attempt that, either. At any rate, bringing psychedelics into the conversation is point where everyone gives up on me and tell me that I probably should just kill myself. If I'm willing to go that far to heal myself, then I'm better off dead.

All that other stuff that was posted sounds like pretentious faggotry, so I'm not engaging in it.

>>2942
>I'm none of that other shit.
Forget the labels, you're otherwise just describing the same experience as otherkins and shifters, which is maladaptive daydreaming turned into delusion.
Don't you think this whole "fallen angel" self-image or whatever private labels you have for it is a self-fulfilling prophecy in that it is guaranteed to make you miserable in this world for as long as you believe it? I'm not saying that you don't have other reasons to be unhappy, but surely that will never change as long as you tell yourself that nothing makes a difference because you're supposed to be somewhere else.
FYI, Japanese society is so miserable and helpless that they have a whole genre of comics and cartoons about people dying or killing themselves and waking up in a different world where happiness and success just lands in the lap of whatever creature they were reincarnated as. Sound familiar?
>The conclusion I've reached is that the most expeditious path to transformation is death.
Oh? That seems like a conclusion unreachable by any means besides total exhaustion of every mortal possibility...
>I'm not in any position to be able to follow passions due to life circumstances. 
...which you clearly have not done since you're bound from your passions. Extra, extra! Man stuck at the bottom of a well gets bored and decides life is pointless!
>I want to try psychedelics, but I'm not in any position to attempt that, either.
Unless you or a family member have a history of schizophrenia or other psychotic disorders, if there was only one position to be in to do psychedelics, it would be your present predicament. Since you're already willing to sacrifice everything to irreversibly pursue some unfalsifiable notion of isekai, you should be more than willing to sacrifice everything to get ahold of/cook some drugs yourself.
Some clinics will do ketamine infusions to treat what you're going through. Transcranial magnetic stimulation is a non-chemical method that can have similar end results as psychedelics, in case they don't give you the ket.
>At any rate, bringing psychedelics into the conversation is point where everyone gives up on me and tell me that I probably should just kill myself. If I'm willing to go that far to heal myself, then I'm better off dead.
Dude, what? Are you part of a cult or something? I don't even know where to find people who would say such awful and retarded things about psychedelic medicine, let alone so many of them that it's what you hear every time the topic comes up. I have heard a million straight-edge nerds speak in my life and not one of them came even close to suggesting that suicide is the only meaningful option by the time you consider tripping. Find different company to keep, no wonder you're so bent out of shape when these are the guys talking to you about your problems.

>pretentious faggotry
Sweet heavens, the irony. Mr. Anon, memetics and superbiology are serious sciences, but you are asserting pretenses in a way that has been documented, codified, and perpetuated in the 21st century almost exclusively by LGBTQ internet users. Your whole worldview is quite literally "pretentious faggotry."

>>2939
Hi Anon. I think Manjaro is less than worthless and has been for years. Cachy is like a younger alternative to Endeavour (both are Arch-based and serve the same function that Manjaro originally did) and becoming popular quickly and many people I consider cute use it, so I wanted to try. It didn't work out, but I promised myself that I would trash my dignity and become an iToddler before I ever touch Microsoft's upside-down kankerpoep cake again. I'm learning tons forcing myself to get Artix to finally work (someone else said Void is good and preferred it because it's built without any history of systemd unlike Artix which is like Arch with the systemd taken out afterward, so I'm interested but the AUR is just too useful to me), ironically the more I learn about computers, the more comfortable I become with using them less. I even moved my PC out of my bedroom. I don't know much about Arco but its OTB rice looks only microscopicly different from Cachy, Endeavour, and Artix (depending which DE you choose). I won't touch it with a ten foot pole because it's supposedly bloated with disorganized actual garbage instead of ordinary bloat and its website looks like if an LLM tried to recreate a typosquatter. I don't see the point in using anything besides Arch or Artix if you want pacman and the AUR. I just use Artix because it's the least broken OTB out of all the distros I've tried.

>>2946
>it is guaranteed to make you miserable in this world for as long as you believe it
What else should I believe except what I see? And what I see is that race is meaningless and human mind is by its nature opposed to tranquility. It constantly seeks out rough points to brush against and if you are not naturally formed for meaningless struggle against inconsequential circumstances, there is no way you could ever come close to happiness. Dullness is the best you can hope for, it feels empty but it's still orders of magnitude better than incessant unconditional emotional pain.
>but surely that will never change as long as you tell yourself that nothing makes a difference because you're supposed to be somewhere else
Where does it come from? Realization that you are not the same as body is inevitable in presence of introspection. It's not about being supposed to be somewhere else, it's grim knowledge that it is impossible to reconcile mind and body except by subjecting yourself to constant meaningless toil in order to prevent introspection, thus living not as a mind, but as a tool of machine that moves on pure luck and inertia.
>Sound familiar?
Yeah now lets just mention western cartoons. Oh, no of course there's nothing wrong with them. Masterpieces, I say.
>Man stuck at the bottom of a well gets bored and decides life is pointless!
Did you ever try getting out of a well by yourself?
>Some clinics will do ketamine infusions to treat what you're going through
Some clinics will deliberately (and lawfully) maim you just so they can treat you longer.
>I don't even know where to find people who would say such awful and retarded things about psychedelic medicine
Anywhere, really.
>no wonder you're so bent out of shape when these are the guys talking to you about your problems
Extreme experiences sure change your mindset, however, drugs are an utter illusion inflated out of thin air and it will only hold until it doesn't. Bottom line, in most cases all they do is prevent suicide, which is utterly meaningless. The best I've ever heard of drugs was "my life is still shit, but not bad enough to die". I wonder if you take the bare fact of being alive as something worthwhile, but just in case you do, you're wrong.
>memetics and superbiology are serious sciences
There are a lot of "serious" things in the west, but world has become such utter circus it is impossible to take anything serious, especially when it is backed by "serious scientists". These days you can't even trust technology, at least to some degree.
>>2949
What do you think of Devuan?

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>>2950
I've never used Devuan. I suppose more is merrier when it comes to systemd-free software. I don't use Debian and its derivatives because they have more problems than others on my machine.

>>2952
>because they have more problems than others on my machine
Is it a subjective experience or can you actually elaborate?

I've been a systemd sucker for a long while, then tried moving to Void on a compulsion I could not suppress. Void itself didn't stick because I think it is really undercooked, but runit did. After failing with Void I was sort of reluctant to move anywhere, but still somehow carried myself through to Devuan by pure inertia and it stuck. Devuan I chose because it was the only systemd-less distro except Void that I had been aware of for a long time at the moment of the hop. I'm still using it to this day. I spent vast majority of my screen time using Debian ecosystem so with Devuan I really feel at home, I know basics of packaging here, Debian specific administration utilities and quirks and so on, so I am sort of biased.

Relating all of this mostly because I'm interested to hear some constructive criticism of Devuan/Debian ecosystem. Devuan is really not different from Debian, except for systemd. And god knows runit is just so much easier to maintain, in fact, it's almost trivial.

>>2953
>Is it a subjective experience or can you actually elaborate?
It wasn't "just vibes" if that's what you're asking. I had specific and objective productivity-halting problems and performance deficiencies, though it's been too long for me to confidently list any. None were unique to Debian, but Debian was packed uniquely full of them when I tried it.
For the record, I don't necessarily think Debian and its derivatives are bad, because Linux in practice is so non-uniform that I have no way to know how representative my experience is.
Regrettably, I don't have the constructive criticism you're looking for on account of not using it for long enough, and at a time when I knew even less about system administration than I do now.

What do you consider "undercooked" about Void? I was told its repository is surprisingly broad. I'm also curious about the impression runit left on you, since I have used Artix with both it and OpenRC and I didn't notice a difference.
>runit is just so much easier to maintain, in fact, it's almost trivial.
I'm still a learner, can you explain what this mean? And how your choice of init affect you as an end user?

>>2954
>What do you consider "undercooked" about Void?
Base system. Repository does not matter. Their base system is primitive and only implements one - the supported - scenario. Their boot sequence is bare minimum to get a desktop system running. Period. Besides, xbps has only one advantage - speed. Apart from being lightning fast, it has no benefits, and usability is strictly inferior to apt or even pacman. Their packaging system is miserable and poorly designed, and while it tries to cater to users as being simple, it is inferior to even Arch's very simplistic packaging approach, because you can't even make your own package without cloning their entire repository. And even if you can, the documentation is so poor I never figured it out.
>can you explain what this mean? And how your choice of init affect you as an end user?
What I mean is that runit is dead simple. To make runit your init system you need /etc/runit/{1,2,3} and exec into runsvdir in /etc/runit/2. Period. Writing new services and tweaking the boot sequence is as simple as possible - you just edit some shell scripts. Besides, Lorenzo did excellent job of integrating runit into Debian (thus Devuan as well), making things even simpler, if that's possible. There are often services which do not have run files for runit, but writing them yourself is literally trivial. On the other hand, I don't find openrc so trivial, so I don't want it. s6-init is great is my opinion but it comes with a lot of tooling in tow so I don't want it either, at least not now.

>>2955
Thank you. I will learn to write runit run files.

>>2956
As a follow up to my opinion on Void, don't take it too literally. I just can't rest easy knowing my system may fail to do what I need at a critical moment just because devs never cared. It may not apply to you.

>>2957
>It may not apply to you.
Doesn't it necessarily apply to everyone using a computer for work or play? I only know of people tolerating unreliable PC systems out of either naivete or ideology.
Anyway, I reread your previous posts and I'm curious about the implication that you consider pacman less usable than apt. If this is true, could you explain?

>>2958
>If this is true, could you explain?
Not really, because I don't have that much experience with pacman. The thing about apt/dpkg ecosystem is that it does nearly god damn everything, so you're never out of options whatever you're doing. Did not notice as much with pacman.

Did I hallucinate responding to an anon blackpilling and kvetching about Blender ITT?

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Hello /late/

>>2905
What did he say?

it's late but still early

>>2962
Recolaphrenia... It was on /comfy/, not ITT

>>2963
Hey there.

>>2966
>Recolaphrenia
Heh, that's a new one on me.

I've spent entire night reading. Why? No idea. It just seems like good escapism or whatever. Watching anime isn't nearly as satisfying as imagining the whole action yourself. Playing games somehow doesn't appeal either right now. At least it's Sunday. I didn't even notice until I was thee quarters through the night.

>thee
three
oh yeah
it's a wonder i'm still bright enough to type at all

>>2966
Ah... Yes. It felt like such an un/comfy/ post I must have disassociated it.

>>2964
"Help me." I originally omitted it because it made an already pretty heavy post even heavier. After a little while he stopped even saying words and it was just nonsense. I should say, even though it was a heavy event/post, it isn't weighing on me. It was merely a thought that had drifted through the air and planted itself in my mind for that day, before taking off on the wind the next morning.
>>2911
Something I worry about is not spending enough time with my loved ones as well. Even when there's an illness involved, it's hard to tell when the exact moment will be. I have a friend whose mother was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer and given a prognosis of 5 months. That was over a year and a half ago now. I work with the eldery somewhat frequently, and if it has taught me anything, it's that they cherish any time they can get with their family. Surely, whatever amount of time you could spend with her made it all worth it.
>>2960
Some days are just good days to get sucked into a book. There is an appeal to being able to create the world of the book in your mind. It's something I've been neglecting. I let my imagination atrophy from excessive videogames and TV. I used to read all the time as a kid.
>I didn't even notice until I was thee quarters through the night.
Indication of an excellent book.

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>>2953
>I'm interested to hear some constructive criticism of Devuan/Debian ecosystem
The install is absolute dogshit
I wanted to setup BTRFS subvolumes inside a LUKS volume, and having tried that on a VM I couldn't even get to the end and settled for Xubuntu instead

Also when my brother wanted into Linux I made him stick to Debian-based (Mint, KDE neon and the like) but he's had lots of issues installing programs that didn't want to package debs and that was despite resorting to Snap, Flatpak and the like. The AUR would've fixed 90% of his issues but he's not there yet so...

>>2952
lol, saved

>>2949
>I'm learning tons forcing myself to get Artix to finally work
what's giving you trouble ? 
>I don't see the point in using anything besides Arch or Artix if you want pacman and the AUR.
In my case, it was a shortcut to have a running Arch distro with the TWM I wanted without having to go through the install. When I had the time, patience and experience to go for the term install I chose Artix instead.

>many people I consider cute use it

>>2972
>"Help me."
I was expecting, or hoping, for something more profound or mysterious, now I can only think of pic related.
Reminds me of Pancho Villa's proported last words, spoke as he lay dying: "Tell them I said something."

>>2983
>The install is absolute dogshit
You're not manly enough. Men use debootstrap + chroot and have no need of graphical install!
>lots of issues installing programs that didn't want to package debs
I wish you were more specific about this one, because I did not face this particular problem so far.
>The AUR
Ugly and I'm not about to trust some randos. With official repos at least you trust a consistent team, not some literally random dudes. No, I won't read a hunder pkgbuilds just because somebody thinks AUR is great.

>>2983
Hi. I only came back to reread something, but since you responded to me directly, I will post on this site one last time. Thanks for taking an interest in my learning.

>what's giving you trouble ? 
I wrote a long explanation but I thought it was an uninviting wall of text so I'll try to make a list concise. Keep in mind that I've already read all the relevant man/wiki/forum pages and have even stooped to using LLM chatbots to troubleshoot but am still out of luck:
>Nvidia GPU not recognized, display locked at the wrong resolution and aspect ratio
>>trying to fix it invariably blackscreens/underscorescreens the system sooner or later, rolling back changes to GRUB and removing packages does not recover and I'm forced to reinstall the whole system
>audio never works right on any distribution, 39% or lower volume is the magic number that mutes the system, occasional horrible crackling noises, switching to PipeWire introduces its own ill-defined issues
>always have to use a clunky GUI utility to make a Live USB, because nothing I make with dd is even recognized by my motherboard (my fault for choosing Gigabyte brand)
>attempting sleep, hibernate, shutdown, etc. only makes the system unresponsive to all displays and peripherals (including TTY and magic SysRq)

There's plenty more, those are just what come to mind as the most pressing and limiting. I'm currently sending this from a live environment since I tried in vain again to fix display issues today. I'm thinking of going off the deep end and trying the base GUIless edition this time. I know it will be uncomfortable and frustrating but it will force me to learn more about in-depth configuration and customization, and I will no longer be tempted to accept Calamares' absurd compromise of making my partition scheme MBR. Then again, having a recovery Live USB with a basic Cinnamon suite ready is pretty useful... but that's just my laziness talking, isn't it.

>>2988
Excuse the naive question, but how is installing something from the AUR much different from installing from GitHub etc.? Though I do prefer to compile locally. 
>I wish you were more specific about this one, because I did not face this particular problem so far.
I don't know about him, but if I'm talking about Linux issues in a casual context, I'm purposefully vague because Linux people seem especially keen to insult others' intelligence when something which "works on my machine" breaks for someone else, when even as a novice I know from first- and second-hand experience that any particular Linux distribution doesn't have 1% of the computer-to-computer consistency that e.g. Windows has.

>>3014
>Excuse the naive question, but how is installing something from the AUR much different from installing from GitHub etc.?
Dependencies + pkgbuild can contain malware, so another attack layer.

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>>2968
back during my NEET days iwould spend entire nights reading quests on suptg
pushed me to compulsively hoard art to worldbuild and now i started writing, it is good escapism indeed but sleep is important

>>3014
or live USBs use Ventoy my nigg
watch install videos, several of them because they complete each other

>how is installing something from the AUR much different from installing from GitHub
nta but the AUR helper manages dependencies and updates automatically, just like your package manager, whereas you have to manually keep track of things when compiling from source yourself

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>>2988
>You're not manly enough. Men use debootstrap + chroot and have no need of graphical install!
I don't know what you mean by that but I'm fine installing Artix from the terminal and partitionning everything the way I want. Devuan's installer held my hand too tight and railroaded me away from things I wanted to do, I hate that pseudo graphical garbage.
Either have something like Calamares or let people figure it out on the term.

>I wish you were more specific about this one, because I did not face this particular problem so far.
I kept it vague on purpose because I don't feel like it's the maintainers' fault that some <1y programs aren't package yet on a distro that is known for thorough testing and stability.

>>3014
>Nvidia GPU n-
Stopped reading there. 
Godspeed bro.

>>3023
>Either have something like Calamares or let people figure it out on the term.
Man let me show you some real Debian(tm) magic. Boot into a Devuan live CD, then
# mount -L your_sweet_root_filesystem /mnt
# debootstrap daedalus /mnt
# mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc
# mount -t sysfs sys /mnt/sys
# mount -o bind /dev/ /mnt/dev
# mount -o bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts # not needed actually
# mount -o bind /sys/firmware/efi/efivars /mnt/sys/firmware/efi/efivars
# mount -L your_juicy_EFI_filesystem /mnt/efi
# chroot /mnt
# passwd
# apt install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 
# blah blah bootloader, fstab, locales and the rest
# exit

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The pain is really bad now. I think it's the base of my skull, the C1 vertebrae, the Atlas, because that's what it normally is, but it's hard to tell. My teeth hurt. My eyes hurt. My head is throbbing. This is different than normal, but that's one of the tricks of this particular brand of agony. Just when you think you know what to expect you get a curveball. It comes with the territory of being the connection from the brain to the rest of the body. I don't know what I did to get into this situation and I don't know how to get out of it. I do yoga, I see a chiropractor, but I'm still jammed up.

>>3043
praying you get better soon, bro.

>>3043
does it disturb your sleepo ?

i wonder how many pictures on the internet have something hidden steganographically in them

>>3092
https://www.aperisolve.com/
At least 6'000'000, I'd say?

>>3093
>6 gorillion
oy vey

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>>3093
I sorted my downloads folder by largest to maybe find something interesting. This came up, that I saved ages ago because I didn't understand it. When I uploaded it, it played for the first time for whatever reason. Great pay off.

listen to jeff wayne's war of the worlds it is so fucking good, i would go so far as to say it is one of the best albums ever made

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Came to drop by again, crazy to think we're now In the year 2025, let alone the 2020s as a whole, I hope all of you are doing great, cheers.

>>3114
Hello again, Anon. Please stick around and let us know how it's been for you!

>pic
Lol. Surely that's a blast from the past for someone. Cheers.

My main rig just crashed and burned. I'll be spending the next two days getting my PC back online. I have backups so no major damage done, it's just the programs and settings that are a pain! My fault for running an old NVME instead of upgrading last time I had the chance. Feels funny saying 'old NVME' but that one was 9 years old (EVO 950)!

>>3118
Sorry to hear that, Anon. That type of thing always sucks. Any idea yet what exactly happened?

Good luck!

>>3120
Specifically with the drive, something was failing! You could access it with a live distro and all the data would be there. I wiped it and installed a different distro to be sure, and sure enough, the drive isn't visible in EUFI/BIOS and will not boot! All files there again if you check with a live distro again. Already used a pot of coffee and played through a few playlists (wonderful day!) but I had to get back to work eventually. I just changed the drive out, reinstalled, and it's been fine since ^_^! I can say I've worn out an NVME drive now. No changes to the PC at all, didn't have it open, didn't do anything crazy with software... it just decided it was done, lol.

>>3121
Lol. Welp, sounds like you did due-diligence to figure out if it was salvageable. Thankfully you were able to recover your files. In the end, that is more valuable than the computer hardware itself. 

Glad you sorted everything out, lad. GG.

>>3118
Nice thinking, back ups are always a necessity.

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>>3118
>I have backups so no major damage done
pic

up to you to see whether setting up scripts or programs to "deploy" your system quicker are worth it, it seems like the use case isn't limited to servers at all
i believe even uindoz has a few tools that do this, altho nothing that compares to bash scripts and git-managed dotfiles

>>1834

I can't wait for my quad to be finished. Gotta get it insured and all that, too.

I'mma take it out for a night ride, maybe late night taco bell.