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This thread is for general (shit)posting of Neptunia and Compile Heart-related topics, similar to /nepgen/ in 4Chan's /vg/. Discussion of Neptunia and other Compile Heart IPs such as Mary Skelter, Fairy Fencer, Death end;re Quest, Mugen Souls and Genkai Tokki is permitted. Discussion of Idea Factory's otomes is discouraged. If you wish to discuss a specific Neptunia or Compile Heart-related topic in-depth, it is encouraged for you to make a thread for it on the board. Remember, you have an entire board for yourselves. Use it.

Previous: https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/520565997/

Upcoming Compile Heart games and release dates:

Hyperdevotion Noire (Switch) - Out now in Japan.
Tokyo Clanpool (Switch/PC) - Out now in Asia (Hong Kong e-shop and Playasia) and on GOG
Neptunia Riders VS Dogoos localization - Out now on PS4/PS5/Switch. Switch version is missing DLC
Touhou Spell Carnival localization - Out Now
Neptunia GameMaker R:Evolution - Out Now Xbox Series and PC (MS Store)
Todokero! Tatakae! Calamity Angels (Summer 2025) - PS4/PS5/Switch/PC
Untitled M2 Shoot'em Up (Summer 2025) - PS4/PS5/Switch
Madou Monogatari 4 - Out Now in Japan PS4/PS5/Switch, Out 2025 in the west
Death end re;Quest Code Z (PS4/PS5) - May 13 for western release
Scar-Lead Salvation (PS4/PS5/PC) - May 29 2025, PC and PS4/PS5 versions will launch worldwide same day.
Calamity Angels: Special Delivery (PS4/PS5/Switch) - Summer 2025 for both Japanese and western versions
Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth 1-3 (PS4) -TBA 2025 for western release

>Hyperdimension Neptunia Downloads (Skins, Artbooks, Manga, Guides, Soundtracks, etc.):
https://rentry.org/rrbfs

>Folder containing all the 4koma and Nepnokai raws:
https://mega.nz/#F!shkAGDaK!-X8nObRihU5EqP5Zx8yVMA
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I love Blanc.
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Do you think we'll be rid of the IFtard after this? I wasn't inclined to be too hostile to him at first. I thought of him like a jester or class clown of sorts, the guy who's just there so everyone can trash on and make fun of him. But I started getting much more frustrated with him when he started attacking Blanc with the "she's gay for Plutia" shtick. He even outright called her ugly at one point. But the whole "gay for Plutia" thing bugs me the most because playing through Re;Birth 3, I can see that someone putting on the goggles and setting them to maximum can possibly see something there. She joins with a Lily Rank of 4 with Plutia compared to the default 2, and the game jokes a couple times about how she seems compete with N**re for Plutia's attention. It's honestly gnawing at me a bit.
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>>7524
Honestly I don't even know if any anons will return to Nepgen after this. We were already slow as balls and I get the feeling some anons might quickly forget about 4chan.
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>>7528
If 4Chan comes back, I will return. I'm invested in Neptunia and Compile Heart now, for various reasons, and I like talking with you guys. But I was hoping we could establish ourselves here. Do you not like this arrangement? An entire board all to ourselves. Less file size and type restrictions. No retarded jannies. Doesn't it sound nice?
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>>7531
It's fun, but without the people I don't think it will work at all.
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>>7524
>Do you think we'll be rid of the IFtard after this?
No.

I don't like it, either, but you can't let it gnaw at you. That's what the IF schizo wants. He wants to ruin Blanc for us, so we'll stop admiring her and stop posting about her. His endgame is everyone must post about his headcanon version of IF and talk about how lucky he is to be with her. At least, that's what I'm convinced. He's even convent to reply to himself alone in his own general if the mods would let him get away with it.

You can always fight fire with fire like some of the other posters do. Oftentimes by posting IF being gay. Which at least has some canon basis.

Blanc never shows any signs of romantic affection towards Plutia. No blushing or nervousness or getting flustered, absolutely nothing. And she's totally capable of those emotional responses, don't you dare try and claim she's just hiding it. I think the most telling is when chapter 4 opens up and she's just as bewildered as anyone else that Plutia suddenly had kids. I think if she were romantically interested, she'd have shown some jealousy or even pain. Which tells me that she draws lines between friendship and romance and that Plutia is firmly on the "friendship" side of things. Her lily rank starts out high because Plutia was there for her at her lowest point. The mark of a true friend. I know Ploot expressed ulterior motives, but have you noticed she never went through with them?
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>>7546
Damn, you really think? He hasn't followed us here, and if he was as attached to /nepgen/ as he seemed to be, I think he would have. There's a chance he may show up again if 4Chan and /vg/ revive, but considering that and all the other things, do you REALLY want to go back there?
>And she's totally capable of those emotional responses, don't you dare try and claim she's just hiding it. 
I doubt I ever would. Blanc is not like Noire who in typical tsundere fashion dances around what she really wants to say (to the point where Plutia had to stick her boot up her ass to make her say it at one point). Blanc is very honest, direct and to the point. Which is one of the many things I like about her. I'm a firm advocate of saying what you mean and tend to get frustrated in real life when people don't.
>I know Ploot expressed ulterior motives, but have you noticed she never went through with them?
I called that she wouldn't go through with them the moment she said them. Truth be told, Iris Heart tongue-lashing Blanc at her lowest and calling her a crybaby (when SHE is partially responsible for her entire predicament) was probably the only time in the game where I actually almost got mad at her like Noirefags and Gearfags tend to do. But considering everything she did for her after that, I choose to believe her intentions were genuine. In part, I think Plutia likes to "play a role" of sorts. She likes the intimidation factor that comes from her violent sadistic tendencies as Iris Heart. But everything about Plutia and what she does otherwise tells me she's good-hearted in spite of that. So I choose to believe she really did just want to help and befriend Blanc.

This site uses asterisks for spoilers, which caused me censoring Noire's name to accidentally spoiler half of my post.
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god, the theme here is even worst than in 8chan
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>>7561
What's wrong with it?
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>>7562
op green text and url is terrible. they should have put that in a window like the normal post.

also, are you ip switching? im not sure how many we are here i can see 8 unique ip
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>>7563
I'm not bothered by that. I can see it easily enough. In terms of functionality, this site isn't shitting itself with 503 errors every 30 minutes, too.
>also, are you ip switching? im not sure how many we are here i can see 8 unique ip
I count five unique posters in this thread including you and me. Yes, I am using a VPN at the moment, although not for posting reasons, but I also think IDs here seem to just rotate periodically on their own as well.
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>>7563
I tend to phonepost a lot...
>>7561
you can just change it
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>>7566
I can't believe I didn't try this before. Why the fuck would people put up with 4Cuck when we have cool shit like this? Before you ask, just click the settings button in the corner and it'll bring up a window where you can choose from various things, and "theme" is one of them. There's options for themes mimicking 4Chan's if you feel like you need them, too.
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>>7550
I'll probably go back regardless, assuming it comes back. And I expect the schizo to return with it. As for why he hasn't followed us here, either ignorance or perhaps fear that new environs won't tolerate his shit. I think he's hinted about being booted from other Neptunia spaces before.

As for Plutia not following up on her motives, I personally think one of two things happened. Either she realized it was going way too far since Blanc isn't a bad person, or perhaps she's outright afraid of Blanc's likely reaction. She's not at rock bottom anymore, realistically if Iris Heart moved to hurt her, then she'd get the full brunt of an enraged White Heart without either Nep or Noire to help her. I will stand by my claim that chapter 3's events imply Blanc could 1v1 any of them and stomp when she's enraged.

I did not do the spoiler right.
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>>7567
Moot said "The problem with 4chan alternatives is that they're just 4chan but better." I.e, there's no culture to pull people towards it aside from a chunk of 4chan that shot off from the main branch so to speak. That's probably one of the things that makes sites like Sharty, Sturdy or KF actually have life. They have a culture that brings posters together.
You could say this place has that too (Neps) but the nep community is too small, as you no doubt already know.
also 4chan also has themes what are you on about lol
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>>7569
I'll stick with believing that Plutia was genuine with her intentions regardless of what she said. I don't think Iris Heart is the type to really think about that kind of thing. She'd probably assume that because she beat White Heart before, she could do it again. She tends to get too into thinking about how she's going to "play" with her opponents to make calculated decisions like that.
>I'll probably go back regardless, assuming it comes back
I feel like you're saying you don't like this place. There's no 15-minute timer here (and that was especially an issue for me since I use a browser that automatically deletes all cookies upon closing, so every time I closed my browser, I had to go through the 15 minute wait again). There's no annoying schizos here (at least not yet), there's no out-of-touch asshole jannies to give Ny*m*ta posters a pass while banning you for lashing out at them, or even banning you for posting a console game CG. You can post up to five files per post here, in more formats to boot, with higher file size limits, you don't have to solve a captcha every time you post, VPNs aren't blocked, etc etc. Now that you know, why go back?
>>7570
But now there IS something to pull people towards altchans, and it just happened. You could claim ignorance as an excuse before, but now you have no real excuse. Besides, I think there's a good chance 4Chan won't come back.
>also 4chan also has themes what are you on about lol
I never noticed.
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>>7571
I think the near standoff when she fought WH made her think twice. Too tired to resist arrest sounds like too tired to for any punishing. Either way I feel like Plutia had to at least come to the conclusion at one point that Blanc is just as dangerous as she is.
>I feel like you're saying you don't like this place.
As many pros as you've listed, and you can argue this is a pro in of itself, but this board is just real secluded. We've struggled with dead hours on /vg/ many times... although I suppose you might consider it moot since we're hardly in any danger of falling off the catalogue to begin with. Also, old habits die hard and I'm already missing some of 4chanx's features. Like alerts when I get replies.
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>>7572
Seclusion is indeed a good thing in many ways, especially for a niche interest like ours. I believe I've already said that one of the things I liked about /nepgen/ was its relative seclusion relative to the rest of the site and resulting comfy posterbase where I don't have to fight off normgroid assholes complaining about "weeb kusoge/shovelware" or "pedoshit" like on /v/. We're also in no danger of falling off any board here as we ARE the board, unlike on /vg/ where I did see /nepgen/ fall off the catalog at least once and have to be remade. And if we want new users, I can do "recruitment drives" sort of like what I'm doing now.
>4ChanX
Never used it. For alerts about replies, I just keep the thread open in a tab and connected for live posts. It'll show a number when the thread has new posts.
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>>7573
>Never used it.
It was a damn good convenience. Anyways I'm telling you, no one who uses "kusoge" is a normalfag. They're just the same brand of picky and vitriolic that /v/ always is. Although Neptunia is still kusoge. Especially the spinoffs.

Also it's occurred to me that one of us might exhaust our Blanc folder before these threads even approach death. Maybe. I don't know. I tend to be a bit selective on what I save, though.
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>>7574
>no one who uses "kusoge" is a normalfag
They pick up on it as it's used by the weebs they share a site with. They then inevitably dumb it down into "thing I don't like".
>spoiler
I don't think so, and I don't think you really believe that, either, or you wouldn't be here. 
>Also it's occurred to me that one of us might exhaust our Blanc folder before these threads even approach death.
Mine currently stands at 1.15 GB, but that's just from the Blanc images I've saved since making it. I still haven't moved all the images from my ~17-18 GB unorganized Nep folder.
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>>7575
>They pick up on it as it's used by the weebs they share a site with. They then inevitably dumb it down into "thing I don't like".
They really don't. The normalfag would say "speak english", or worse "speak american." Normalfags do not take easily to loanwords from Japan.
>I don't think so, and I don't think you really believe that, either, or you wouldn't be here. 
Listen, I love this franchise, but there's an undeniable lack of budget and polish in these games that make most of them kusoge. As you play through the Re;Birth trilogy you will realize just how much this franchise relies on reusing assets. A game can be shitty and still be enjoyable, to a point. I say "especially" the spinoffs because most of them are to that point. They're not very enjoyable, contain very little of what makes the franchise so magical, and are too often just cynical cashgrabs. Some of them are alright but still have problems. I like 4GO a whole lot but I would never tell anyone it's good as a pure game.
>Mine currently stands at 1.15 GB, but that's just from the Blanc images I've saved since making it. I still haven't moved all the images from my ~17-18 GB unorganized Nep folder.
I didn't mean to start a dick measuring contest with folders, sorry. My Blanc folder is currently at around 4GB. I do not have a large unorganized Nep folder. When I made the statement, I was assuming it'd be me who would run out anyways.

...There are images in my Blanc folder I would never post, too.
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>>7576
Your definition of "normalfag" seems to be different from mine. I use the term to refer to not just outsiders to otaku culture, but also ones who try to enter niche spaces and blend in without truly grasping or appreciating what they're latching onto. I'm sure you've seen this a lot on Xitter. All the arguments with and about "tourists". I consider them another breed of normalfag.
>Listen, I love this franchise, but there's an undeniable lack of budget and polish in these games that make most of them kusoge.
Maybe I just have high tolerance for jank, but I find them simple, enjoyable JRPGs with a lovable cast of characters. And characters are one of the most important aspects of gaming, especially Japanese ones. They're part of the game, too, and should be factored into its overall judgment. I suppose I part from the "gameplay over all" fags on this, but I also really don't think Neptunia's gameplay is that bad.
>As you play through the Re;Birth trilogy you will realize just how much this franchise relies on reusing assets. 
I've already realized. PS Dimension and Vida Dimension are literally the same dungeon. So is Halo Forest and Nekotouki Forest. Hell, I've even noticed little things like sound effects being reused across Compile Heart titles.
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>>7577
>Your definition of "normalfag" seems to be different from mine.
Apparently so. Mine is "a derogatory term for a normal, average person." Normalfags are bad for a hobby but for different reasons. They're passively harmful, they eat up any old shit without complaint as long as it doesn't stray too far from their comfort zones. You won't find those types on an anonymous image board. You'll find people adjacent to them, but actual normalfags steer clear of places where wrongthink and no-no words are commonplace.
>but I find them simple, enjoyable JRPGs with a lovable cast of characters.
That's what mainline Neptunia tends to be. And what do you know they're the least kusoge out of the group. There's still a lack of quality, but not enough to ruin the experience. The spinoffs, however, nearly always skimp on the characters, and the extra jank you get when they venture outside of the RPG genre just makes it worse. The most recent was just a handful of cutscenes, hardly anything substantial, attached to a really shitty driving game.
>I've already realized. PS Dimension and Vida Dimension are literally the same dungeon. So is Halo Forest and Nekotouki Forest. Hell, I've even noticed little things like sound effects being reused across Compile Heart titles.
True, I forgot for a moment how extensive the asset reuse is across their IPs.

Be warned, I'm going to sleep.
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>>7578
I haven't played any of the spinoffs yet, so I guess I'll have to find out for myself. I have Action Unleashed and will move to that eventually, probably after Re;Birth 1.
>Be warned, I'm going to sleep
So am I, soon. Good night.
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>>7579
>Action Unleashed
One of the more okay-ish spinoffs, at least. But I'm still salty that Blanc's game was just a reskin with a dumb RE parody plot.
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>>7580
Is Megatag really so bad that I won't enjoy it even as a Blancfag? If I ever get around to making a Steam account, it was going to be one of the first things I get.
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>>7581
Well, it's not bad bad. There are some cute Blanc moments in it. But the whole thing was a really low effort affair and the entire premise fits a certain Lastation goddess a lot better. Almost like they had the idea ready to go and assume she'd top the polls again. Even the promo artwork features her more than Blanc herself.

If you can forget all that, you can have a fun time, but to me it just leaves a horrible taste in my mouth. Also, I don't like RE so I can't really appreciate the RE parody plot of Blanc's movie.
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>>7582
>the entire premise fits a certain Lastation goddess a lot better. Almost like they had the idea ready to go and assume she'd top the polls again.
They really can't help themselves, can they? Even when said goddess kicks them in the face for no reason other than spite. They treat her with kid gloves even in spite of everything, but will they do the same with Blanc? They already had a Nepstation segment in Re;Birth 3 where they not so subtly mocked Nintendo for their 90s policies, and that was when they weren't on the wrong end of said policies. But of course when Soyny does it, it's "rAiSiNG StaNDaRDs". It does make me wonder how they're going to handle it in the next mainline, because there's no way they don't know by now.
>Also, I don't like RE so I can't really appreciate the RE parody plot of Blanc's movie
I do, or at least did. I played almost every Resident Evil game up to 4 when I was a teen. But I was so bad at most of them that I resorted to cheating. Especially Code Veronica, where I got stuck on the Tyrant fight on the airplane. The only one I think I beat normally was 4.
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>>7583
Devil's advocate here, but I think they just genuinely did not expect Blanc to win. It was a popularity poll, they said the winner would get a spinoff game. Noire had one the last one handily and had been the fandom favorite ever since. But then the fandom largely decided it was Blanc's turn for a spinoff and some IF faggots tried to stuff the ballot so hard that she got second place and that's how "that" game came to be. Literally a consolation prize.

And I'm sure CH will be cunts about it since NoA decided to go even harder than SIE. What a fucking nightmare. They really should just shut down NoA.

Survival Horror is just a genre that does not appeal to me at all. I haven't played any of them and have no desire to.
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>>7584
> but I think they just genuinely did not expect Blanc to win.
Are they just that detached from reality?
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>>7585
Maybe, or maybe it's the fact that it was the second popularity poll ever, and in the first Noire scored 1st and Blanc scored 7th. Remember how I said her arc in V rehabilitated her image? Well, both of these polls happened to have been held before and after V.
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>>7585
By and large, yes. Just look at how they approach trends.
They made a vtuber game when vtubers were getting more popular... but completely neglected giving any of the popular ones they got to work with any meaningful place within the story and completely forgot to shill their own vtuber (who I bet you don't even know exists). 
Or look at how they decided that the future of Neptunia would be action based because it seemed like all big turn based JRPGs were becoming action... They tried it for two games and then said "nah next numbered game is turn based we swear".
Look at their other non-nep new games too, they just don't know what their fans want, I think.
Although if you're talking about Blanc only... uh idk Compa just loves Lastation exec dick too much maybe
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>>7586
That is not me you're replying to there, just so you know.
On V's Chapter 3, do you really think it was a good thing in the long run? Judging by what I've read, it marked an overall shift in her characterization across the franchise. I'm afraid I can't make a proper judgment on that yet since I haven't played HDN, but I definitely had a rather conflicted reaction to all of the events that make up her "arc" in Re;Birth 3.
>>7587
>Or look at how they decided that the future of Neptunia would be action based because it seemed like all big turn based JRPGs were becoming action
I'd like to think that they intended for that to be relegated to the spinoffs. But then again, apparently SvS's marketing was very confused as to whether it was supposed to be a spin-off or a mainline, probably because it was the first high-profile Neptunia game in a while.
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>>7588
My bad, wasn't sure if you had some VPN shenanigans going on or not.
>On V's Chapter 3, do you really think it was a good thing in the long run?
I think it's been a double edged sword. It's good that Blanc has remained relatively popular among fans, but at the same time it's attracted a lot of fans who don't appreciate her for who she is. The absolute worse is when she's put into the hands of incompetent writers who want to get the same effect as her arc in V without understanding any of the context. The two biggest offenders are in RB1 and the anime.
>RB1
So, this was one of the parts of HDN that was completely re-written in the remake. In HDN a lot of Lowee's arc, when it wasn't concentrated on Neptune's efforts to befriend and placate Blanc, was focused on relations between the Guild which was a support organization for people who didn't worship the goddess of the nation they were born in, which were referred to as heretics, and the country at large. There was an extremist faction that tried to overthrow Blanc after she or her government so graciously took those heretics in as refugees after Leanbox tried to purge them IIRC.

RB1 decided to replace all of that with a fake Blanc. Even using the fake to explain the five seconds of initial hostility shown to Neptune's party. And then when Financier takes them to Blanc's inner circle to meet the real deal, Blanc ends up crying as she petitions help in reclaiming her nation. Completely and utterly unearned, not even close to the rock bottom situation she found herself in V. Absolutely out of character. The whole point of her arc in V was that Blanc was nearly unbreakable and you had to put her at absolute rock bottom just to get her to crack. And even in tears she was still ready to fight and resist to the bitter end.

>the anime
I hate episode 2. What a dogshit story. I get that she cares about her sisters, but absolutely rolling over for mother fucking Abnes just so Neptune can have her stupid moment to swoop in and save her? Bull fucking shit. Once again, totally out of character, the writers just didn't understand her at all and just wanted to milk those tears and make the audience feel bad for her. Those are the most egregious examples of how chapter 3 negatively impacted Blanc, but thankfully it hasn't gotten quite that bad since. Her characterization in VII and SVS were both a lot more on point. I can buy Blanc showing her softer side to her sisters more, and I can buy her shedding tears after not seeing them for two whole years. And I can buy her completely giving up in the failed timeline where Arfoire possessed Rom. Although even her present day self chastised herself for being that "weak." Poor thing...

>But then again, apparently SvS's marketing was very confused as to whether it was supposed to be a spin-off or a mainline, probably because it was the first high-profile Neptunia game in a while.
It had a lot of effort put into it and the premise immediately placed it in the mainline continuity. But unfortunately the game kinda Sonic 06'd itself by the end from what I understand. And the game is just really dark for Neptunia. It gets more fucked up when you consider the possibility that UD likely hadn't experienced any time resets which is why the portal closed off to begin with. Imagine how much time has passed for UD while Future Maho repeatedly reset the timeline over the span of years.

But I digress. It seemed like CH wasn't terribly confident in the game so they branded it an "orthodox spinoff" in Japan, and even then that was kinda buried in a blog. I'm assuming "orthodox spinoff" means "it's in the main continuity, but it's still a spinoff."
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>>7587
>Or look at how they decided that the future of Neptunia would be action based because it seemed like all big turn based JRPGs were becoming action... They tried it for two games and then said "nah next numbered game is turn based we swear".
I would like to know who the fuck at Compile Heart makes these decisions and why they still have a job.
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>>7588
Maybe SvS was just meant to set up the next mainline taking the neps into the PC continent or otherwise it being important to the game and that's what they meant?
>>7590
>why they still have a job.
They've been hiring for years they're probably understaffed and don't want to let anyone go lmao.
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>RB1
And that's actually probably next on my list or close. I was aware it was likely inferior in writing to the original, which is part of why I started with Re;Birth 3 instead of it. It's clear to me I really ought to play the original HDN, but I don't have a PS3, and I'm not sure if my laptop can run RPCS3, considering the way emulators tend to work. I'm considering getting a used PS3 down the line for a few reasons (one of the games I want to play in the future doesn't work on RPCS3, and another is only uncensored on it as its PC versions are all censored.).
>the anime
I stopped at episode 4 when I got pissed at the blatant Candidate shilling subplot. Admittedly though, I also wasn't paying such close attention to the first 3 episodes either.
>SvS
It's pretty evident that her sisters are one of Blanc's few real weaknesses. They're much more vulnerable than she is, and she's ultra-protective of them because of that, so some villains that may want to get to her may target them just for that. I guess SvS turned Arfoire into the demon from Don't Kill It (if you've seen that movie), and like that movie, I assume the possession is permanent and irreversible, in which case Arfoire possessing Rom represents Blanc's ultimate failure to protect the ones she loved most. At least it wasn't Blanc herself.
On the topic of Re;Birth 3's Lowee arc, I actually posted a small essay on it in /nepgen/ a few weeks before 4Chan went down. Did you ever read it?
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>>7592
That's strange, I thought people wanted Ram and Rom for something else.
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>>7594
jobber!
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I swear to God that better not be him. I am sick already of the "Blanc is gay for Plutia" narrative. These antics aren't funny any more.
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>>7594
Cute lesbian!
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>>7592
I would definitely encourage you to get a PS3. Just don't go down the rabbit hole of backwards compatible models. It's expensive and unfortunately it's not a good all-in-one solution. PS3's PS1 support is garbage and full of audio slowdown that drives me insane. Just get a super slim and be done with it.
>I stopped at episode 4 when I got pissed at the blatant Candidate shilling subplot.
I recall the director saying he liked mk2 the most so go figure...
>spoiler
I think it's bullshit all around but apparently Arfoire's ability to possess others was vaguely hinted at during mk2's true end. It's frustrating because she was supposed to be dead for good after mk2 but then stupid bullshit happens and instead she's an unkillable existential threat and... basically very anti-Neptunia when you get right down to it. But I digress. Blanc couldn't have been possessed. You know how I said the candidates just don't have personalities? Well, this kinda lampshades that. It's stated very explicitly that Arfoire can only possess people that either haven't yet developed strong personalities or the incapacitated. The PC contintent's goddess was the latter, which is a detail many seemed to have missed as the body she inhabits for most of the game was the PC continent's goddess's... which only by coincidence looks just like VII's Arfoire. Rom is a clear example of the former. She doesn't have a very strong well so the poor thing was susceptible to possession and I can't blame Blanc for being unable to fight her sister.
>On the topic of Re;Birth 3's Lowee arc, I actually posted a small essay on it in /nepgen/ a few weeks before 4Chan went down. Did you ever read it?
I did, and I meant to reply to it, but I was going through a particularly bad spell of sleep deprivation and it got lost... and since then, I've of course forgotten the contents. I'm sorry. But I swear I did read it.
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>>7598
Ah, fuck. If I did, I was planning to get a BC model if I could. I already have a PS2, but I thought it would be nice to have another thing that can play those games in case something happens to it. But more than that, I'm worried about the CMOS battery issue, and I think that's why I opted to get a PS2 back then when I could have just gotten a BC PS3.
>spoiler
That's a relief. Yes, I'm well aware that the candidates don't have much in the way of personalities. It's part of why I don't like them very much. In the other thread, I went on a bit of a tangent about how Rom and Ram are almost non-characters with little potential for growth since they're eternally kids. You can also see this in their HDD forms, which I also brought up in the other thread. The goddesses in their HDD forms seem different compared to their human forms because they have multifaceted personalities, different aspects of which get emphasized when they transform. The candidates, by contrast, change very little in their HDD forms, which is because they don't have the multifaceted personalities their sisters have.
>I did, and I meant to reply to it, but I was going through a particularly bad spell of sleep deprivation and it got lost... and since then, I've of course forgotten the contents.
Should I repost it?
On another note, 8Chan moe's captchas are getting annoying. Sometimes they don't show when you bring up the reply box, and when you try to reply, you'll get told to fill out the captcha which isn't there, and you'll have to refresh the page. And sometimes, even when you DO fill out the captcha, the website is shitting itself so badly over the traffic influx that you'll get a connection error and have to fill out the captcha AGAIN! It's not as bad as 4Chan's 15-minute timer, but it's still annoying.
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>>7599
>I already have a PS2, but I thought it would be nice to have another thing that can play those games in case something happens to it.
You will spend more just acquiring a backwards compatible PS3 than you would ever replacing your much more reliable PS2 if anything happened to it. And that doesn't even go into preventative maintenance. I got mine recapped and delidded to replace the thermal paste, as well as a more aggressive fan curve installed, and all that still might be snake oil. The only definitive fix for a BC PS3 is to have the RSX swapped for a newer, smaller one, and that's a very expensive process. $400+ and that's not including the cost of your BC PS3. And again, all for the broken promise of an all-in-one that can't properly play PS1 games. I repeat, just get a super slim and be done with it.
>spoiler 1
I give Uni a pass, ironically enough. I think she's got potential. The fact that she's kinda lousy at playing a tsundere makes it more endearing than annoying like her dumb sister. Plus I really like her interactions with Blanc in some of the tertiary material. Honestly, just let Blanc adopt her as a third sister. She'd treat her better than Noire does.
>Should I repost it?
If you want to hear my thoughts, sure, I'll give it another read and try not to let it slip away again.
>spoiler 2
I had that happen to me, too.
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Alright, here goes.

>Perhaps expectedly, I have very mixed, but mainly negative, feelings on Re;Birth 3's Chapter 3. It's an entire chapter that's almost nothing but pain, suffering, and humiliation for Blanc. I am told that this was written to help humanize Blanc and endear her to people, and to an extent I can understand why. It's basically all about breaking down the goddess to reveal the lonely and insecure girl within. As she is normally the least approachable of the goddesses, between her insular demeanor and her extreme temper, I suppose Compile Heart felt they needed to show her at her most vulnerable to get people to like her. My main problems are threefold. For one, in a way, it's those exact qualities that make her unapproachable that are at least part of why I love her. Her qualities combine to give her an untouchable, almost otherworldly aura that is a core part of her beauty to me. For two, if they wanted to humanize her, bring her down to earth in a sense, why did they have to do it this way? Surely there was some way that didn't involve breaking her to the point of tears. For three, what kind of fan do they think this will attract? Someone who couldn't appreciate her until they saw her reduced to a sobbing mess? Should that kind of person even be allowed to say they like her? I am reminded of Plutia's given reason for helping Blanc, and I start drawing links between this chapter and the seeming glut of sexual fan art that depicts Blanc being abused or humiliated, to the point it far outnumbers more "vanilla" portrayals. It makes too much sense. Besides Plutia's comment, there's also the fact that the foremost villain is a fat, balding businessman clearly designed after the archetypal "ugly bastard" common in rape hentai. Yes, there is fan art, commissions even, of him raping her. It disgusts me! On the brighter side, I enjoy the designs of Lowee and Lowee Castle in Ultradimension.

>There's also another angle to this, and that is the clear raging hard-on Compile Heart have for Noire/PlayStation. Even though the whole mess is in large part her fault, it's never acknowledged and all the blame for escalating the situation is placed on Blanc and Lowee despite the clear signs that Blanc had no real idea why she stormed over to Lastation's border and even waited patiently at Lastation Immigration and Customs for Noire to arrive. If she actually intended to invade, she would have just crushed the guard and went straight to Lastation's Basilicom, likely with an army backing her. But she didn't, because she never really actually wanted to attack Lastation and harm innocent people. Even when three CPUs including Noire march straight into her castle chambers, she still doesn't want to actually kill them and settles for just roughing them up as a warning. Even with how much Lastation's mere existence has clearly harmed her nation, robbing her of shares and inflaming her insecurities, she never proceeds to open conflict until Noire gives her no choice. Even though Warechu and Copypaste tricked Noire into believing Lowee was responsible for the attack on her factory, they were so transparent that Noire is genuinely retarded for falling for it. The lion's share of the blame for Chapter 3's events and Blanc's fall is squarely at the feet of Black Heart and her sheer hubris and desire for conflict. But when it all goes down, it's BLANC who gets called arrogant! This despite the fact that literally two scenes ago, Noire was thinking up a scheme to throw her allies including her long-time friend Plutia under the bus to take all the glory for herself. But she is never, ever called on her sheer arrogance and her role in the conflict; it's all blamed on Blanc. It's Blanc who's forced to change. It's Blanc who has to be humbled. Never N**re, the most she ever gets is the usual "haha that's our Loner Heart". If this is considered a retelling of the 90s console wars, then Compile Heart are making it VERY clear which camp they're in.

I'll add to this that another thing the whole arc did for me was instill in me a very strong desire to protect and shield Blanc from all this. And I wonder if this same feeling was what drew people like Haru to her. Perhaps they basically just saw a sad and lonely girl who needed a hug. And this desire caused them to overlook Blanc's "rougher" edges so they could fit that fantasy of her. It makes me wonder if I'm having the "wrong" reaction, but I can't help what I feel. You'll never hear me call Blanc weak, a crybaby, or other such things, but there's no doubt even she has her limit and this shows it. Is it wrong to feel such a way, to want to be there to make sure nothing like Chapter 3 ever happens to her? Would I just come off as annoying and patronizing to such a sublime yet touchingly human goddess?
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>For two, if they wanted to humanize her, bring her down to earth in a sense, why did they have to do it this way? Surely there was some way that didn't involve breaking her to the point of tears.
Because most people couldn't see through to the vulnerability and insecurity she has without it. I could see it after playing HDN. In-between all the nastiness she showed to others, I eventually picked up on the more tender and vulnerable side beneath her shell, but you have to understand your average player doesn't look that deep into a character. They looked at her cold, often nasty exterior, and wrote her off as a bitch. Like I did when I first started to play the game, but I opened up to her after recruiting her and seeing more of what she was actually like. Unfortunately, to make it obvious enough, it had to be done this way. Any other way would have been out of character. She wouldn't magically open up to Neptune and Plutia, and she wasn't going to break until she hit the absolute rock bottom. I hate it, chapter 3 is always painful to replay for me, but I recognize the necessity for her reputation. She came out the other end better for it, better for herself, and more liked among the mouth breathers who honestly don't deserve her. But she deserves adoration.
>For three, what kind of fan do they think this will attract? Someone who couldn't appreciate her until they saw her reduced to a sobbing mess?
>I'll add to this that another thing the whole arc did for me was instill in me a very strong desire to protect and shield Blanc from all this.
This is what they intended, and it worked. A lot of the post-V Blancfags ended up too far in this direction, thinking more she was helpless and demure. See: Haru.
> and I start drawing links between this chapter and the seeming glut of sexual fan art that depicts Blanc being abused or humiliated, to the point it far outnumbers more "vanilla" portrayals.
Take it from someone who's been in the fandom for that long: That kind of material predates V entirely. From day 1 she was getting that kind of degenerate art. But then, ALL of the goddesses do. Blanc does not get it with any more frequency than any of the others. If you notice a disparity between her artwork and say, Neptune's or Noire's, well, the latter two simply have more artwork in general. But all the goddesses get degrading and degenerate lewd artwork. I think the fact that they're goddesses, women of power, naturally attracts this sort of thing. The male degenerate that wants to take them down a peg or three just for being powerful women. I don't usually play the feminism card, but there's an element of feminism to Neptunia that's inescapable. Thankfully not the manhating kind, at least. Regardless, I think you need to take a step back and realize this isn't an issue exclusive to Blanc.
>there's also the fact that the foremost villain is a fat, balding businessman clearly designed after the archetypal "ugly bastard" common in rape hentai.
The game makes it pretty clear no bad touching happened and later on the man himself states outright that he's happily married. You also need to understand the context of the Sages as V's antagonists. Most of them represent political or social entities that are critical of Japanese media. PTAs and the like. While likely intended to represent the business world's view at the time that video games were childish and wasteful, he's also just a play on the evil minister trope. That's his name in Japan, "Akudaijin" LITERALLY means "evil minister." His localized name could potentially be a reference to an anti-D&D organization, by the way.

As a side note, if you're curious at all, Abnes is a reference to Agnes Chan, an infamous UNICEF spokesperson in Japan that was, of course, outspoken against loli content.
>Yes, there is fan art, commissions even, of him raping her. It disgusts me!
Fortunately there's so little of that, a paltry amount, and a good percentage of it gated behind paywalls if I'm not mistaken. You gotta rehabilitate your brain because this was completely unintended by the devs, I'm sure of it.

>it's never acknowledged and all the blame for escalating the situation is placed on Blanc and Lowee
Pretty sure the game makes it very clear that it's all the Sages' fault. That you can even see it's their fault shows that was the intent. Noire's gonna be a petty cunt though, and Blanc has a strong sense of personal responsibility so of course she's going to own up to any wrongdoing. That said, I feel like it should be noted that Noire took her share of suffering. She had to be "serviced" by Iris Heart before she could work up the nerve to take the fight to Lowee. Honestly, Noire was pretty intelligent to want to avoid that confrontation. If even one of them were absent, Blanc would have kicked their asses. 
>But when it all goes down, it's BLANC who gets called arrogant!
Likely an attempt to commentate on Nintendo in the nineties, who at times acted like they owned the video game industry. You could also perceive her trust in the evil minister as a brand of arrogance, though I don't personally subscribe to that. What I DO have to acknowledge is that Blanc spent a very long time being the only goddess around and her reaction to competition held traces of arrogance. But it's only natural when you've ruled alone for so long. The message is supposed to be that friends keep you in check. Blanc gained friends, became a better person, and avoided becoming another Rei who didn't have any friends at all.
>Noire was thinking up a scheme to throw her allies including her long-time friend Plutia under the bus to take all the glory for herself. But she is never, ever called on her sheer arrogance and her role in the conflict
Nope, instead she's the butt monkey of the whole fucking game and it's great. Consider how until the very end people still call her a friendless loner. I'd say it's deserved, wouldn't you?
>If this is considered a retelling of the 90s console wars, then Compile Heart are making it VERY clear which camp they're in.
It's such an ungodly terrible retelling, too. As much as I like V's story, that's an inescapable fact. Yellow Heart is based off the PC Engine, or the Turbografx-16, which made a decent splash in Japan but never really bloodied Nintendo's nose. It was dead and buried long before the PS1 ever appeared. So her inclusion as Eden's puppet goddess overpowering everyone else combined was absolutely nonsensical.

>I'll add to this that another thing the whole arc did for me was instill in me a very strong desire to protect and shield Blanc from all this.
I started feeling something like that long before I ever played V. I want to shield her from everything that would hurt her. I think that's part of why I've become so much more possessive over the years. I find many Blancfags wanting. Fair weather fans. Haru is an excellent example, he dropped her the moment someone more suitable to his tastes appeared. And so I think pretty poorly of people who just ignore huge parts of Blanc's personality.
>And this desire caused them to overlook Blanc's "rougher" edges so they could fit that fantasy of her.
See, this shit really gets me. You don't NEED to overlook Blanc's personality to get that fantasy. You even have OPTIONS on how to fantasize about comforting her. You could have her at an emotional extreme, and be the one to be there for her. Or you could awaken to an insight about her, carefully nudge the issue, and have Blanc act so adorably reluctant, borderline tsundere, as she takes comfort in your arms. Goddamn it, there's nothing cuter than Blanc being herself!! And that's one of the many things that are so great about her! You can have the rough edges, the adorable grumpiness, and still have those tender moments with her, too. She WANTS to be loved!
>It makes me wonder if I'm having the "wrong" reaction, but I can't help what I feel. You'll never hear me call Blanc weak, a crybaby, or other such things, but there's no doubt even she has her limit and this shows it. Is it wrong to feel such a way, to want to be there to make sure nothing like Chapter 3 ever happens to her? Would I just come off as annoying and patronizing to such a sublime yet touchingly human goddess?
My honest opinion? I think it would hinge on being at the right place at the right time. If she didn't know you, never showed that side of herself to you, she'd probably find it to be extremely patronizing.

But I think, if it were me offering her comfort in that cell instead of Plutia, then we'd be closer to each other than we'd ever been. She'd probably tell me to avoid PDA, but otherwise we'd have bonded for life, assuming we could still spring her from prison and reclaim her nation.
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Look at all that text, though. I remember why I was so hesitant to reply originally, I really didn't want to split it into multiple posts. There goes another pro for sticking around here.
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Indeed, what a massive wall of text. Probably among the biggest I've ever seen. Some thoughts are already forming in my head, but I think I'll save replying to it all for tomorrow. This place may as well be /blancgen/ now.
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>>There's also another angle to this, and that is the clear raging hard-on Compile Heart have for Noire/PlayStation. 
On this part: I think CH and Japanese companies in general are starting to tone it down, but it took far too long and the damage the starstruck period Japan had with Sony in its current state has already been done. It would be nice if Japan's game devs as a whole would realize that none of these corpos value nationalistic identity at all and any one of them would abandon them for an American nickle, especially in this economy. Jury is still out on if Nintendo is going to be just as bad as Sony Computer Entertaiment was when it went international.
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>They looked at her cold, often nasty exterior, and wrote her off as a bitch.
I never did, but then again my introduction was VII and that was a post-V game.
>Unfortunately, to make it obvious enough, it had to be done this way. Any other way would have been out of character. She wouldn't magically open up to Neptune and Plutia
Not even gradually, like some situation where they cooperate on something? Would spending enough time around them to see they're not hostile, however such a situation might be contrived, not be enough?
>Take it from someone who's been in the fandom for that long: That kind of material predates V entirely. From day 1 she was getting that kind of degenerate art.
>Regardless, I think you need to take a step back and realize this isn't an issue exclusive to Blanc.
I can't help it when every time I open the Pixiv R18 page and see something Blanc-related, it's always something degenerate. Sure, the other goddesses get some too, but they also have a decent amount of more "vanilla" art to balance it out. I feel Blanc doesn't have that. And considering how I view Blanc and what she represents to me, it annoys me that much more. All I want is POV lovemaking, damn it!
 >The game makes it pretty clear no bad touching happened and later on the man himself states outright that he's happily married.
Yeah, I know, but he just fits the archetype a little too well for my tastes. Also, WAS happily married. He's a widower now.
>You also need to understand the context of the Sages as V's antagonists
I legitimately had no idea about this (aside from Rei) and just viewed them as a classic JRPG mini-boss squad. It makes me wonder (and hope) if Compile Heart will do something similar with the next mainline. Imagine the Seven Sages but now with Anita Sarkeesian, Jim Ryan, the GamerGate rogues gallery, Visa/Mastercard, with BlackRock/Larry Fink as its head. It could be one of the most hilarious and based games ever made.
>That said, I feel like it should be noted that Noire took her share of suffering. She had to be "serviced" by Iris Heart before she could work up the nerve to take the fight to Lowee.
Not anything close to what Blanc had to go through, and it's framed differently. N*ire was the subject of a gag. Blanc was being seriously criticized by the narrative. This trend continues throughout the game. N*ire may be ribbed on a few times, but she is never SERIOUSLY criticized and portrayed in the wrong like others are. Put another way, N*ire's "flaws" are meant to endear you to her. Blanc's are treated as serious character flaws that she needs to correct. And I'll reiterate that I don't think Iris Heart's "service" is as bad as some people seem to think it is. N*ire snapped out of whatever trance she was put in after only a few minutes and she continues with no long-term issues. Compare to Arfoire who Iris Heart DID seriously torture (and she deserved it). She was catatonic for a long-time afterwards and even after she recovered had lasting trauma to the point she couldn't even face Plutia any more. 
>What I DO have to acknowledge is that Blanc spent a very long time being the only goddess around and her reaction to competition held traces of arrogance.
I don't think so. Considering the nature of goddesses, and how she dedicated her existence to the growth and maintenance of Lowee, she was reacting to an existential threat. She did not care when Planeptune was founded. She only cared when N*ire and Lastation started leeching the lifeblood of her nation. Any real-life country's leader would likely react the same way. Even in spite of everything, she never seriously attempted to attack Lastation and only resorted to force when N*ire and her troupe broke into her castle with clear intention of conflict.
>Blanc gained friends, became a better person, and avoided becoming another Rei who didn't have any friends at all.
I don't think she was ever in any real danger of becoming like Rei. I'm collecting Rei's memories in Chapter 9 now, and the picture they paint shows that Rei's thoughts, the moment she acquired power and realized she had it, immediately turned to dominance, of imposing herself on others. She even states herself that this is her true nature. Blanc is not like that. She is not interested in dominating others. She's actually very insular. At one point, she outright states she cared little for what happened outside of Lowee until the events of Chapters 2 and 3. And at no point do I recall anyone ever calling her tyrannical or saying she was a poor ruler, they just might have found Lastation better or more "interesting". As much as I may fantasize about the idea of sweeping Gamindustri off its feet with her, Blanc is not the conquering type. Blanc is of stronger character and moral fiber than Rei was, and I think if anyone might have ever been in danger of becoming like Rei, it would have been either Plutia or N*ire.
>Consider how until the very end people still call her a friendless loner. I'd say it's deserved, wouldn't you?
Paltry compared to the rest of the game framing Lastation as the perfect nation and her as a perfect, benevolent ruler. Like I said, N*ire's flaws, if they're ever pointed out at all, are treated as a gag. They rarely, if ever have real consequences for her like Blanc and Vert.
>I started feeling something like that long before I ever played V.
Maybe I worded it poorly. It might be more accurate to say it sent those feelings into overdrive. I think part of why I had such a negative reaction to THAT scene in VII was because of said feelings. They took Blanc from me, brainwashed her, and made me fight her, all just to prop up a character I didn't like very much to begin with.
>and have Blanc act so adorably reluctant, borderline tsundere, as she takes comfort in your arms.
I assume this is related to the images you posted. To be frank, while Blanc acting in almost any way is going to be cute because it's Blanc, if it were me there, I might get just a bit frustrated at such a reaction. Remember how I said I'm a firm advocate of saying what you mean? And that one of the things I like about Blanc is that she speaks her mind? Well, even if it's just because she's flustered and inexperienced, seeing her act like that, act like N*ire, may annoy me just a bit. I want her to speak her mind. I want to hear the words. Don't give me the runaround, I've always hated that. 
>But I think, if it were me offering her comfort in that cell instead of Plutia, then we'd be closer to each other than we'd ever been
Alas, I do not think I am good at offering words of comfort. My idea was to be there when Mr. Badd summons the soldiers, saying she has no followers left. Well then, if there are none, what am I? And I would, through true faith as her only follower to not have abandoned her, gave her just enough share energy to transform and fly away to regroup while I alone deal with the army of traitors. I may win. I may get captured. I may even die, but I don't mind too much if it was for Blanc.

All this took over an hour to type out. Holy shit!
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And now that my behemoth reply is out of the way:
Happy Easter, /nepgen/! I only wish our other friends were here to enjoy and celebrate with us.
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>>7605
>Jury is still out on if Nintendo is going to be just as bad as Sony Computer Entertaiment was when it went international.
There is evidence of an Assassin's Creed Shadows release on Switch 2. If that is true, it's pretty much the final nail in the coffin for Nintendo as a Japanese company. No one that cares about Japan or being Japanese would want to be involved with such a blatant middle finger to Japan and its history and culture.
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>>7607
Happy Easter.
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