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Do you have any idea how long I've been the board owner of /hover/?
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Flying saucers not only exist but we can build them.. just need the resources, tooling and proper work environment
Also keep a look out, by 2027 you'll see something really interesting
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>>1861
Why is the year 2027 so hyped by everyone?
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>>2061
Psychic mediums and channelers have been saying that we will start having physical interactions with extra terrestrials openly in 2027
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>>2061
>>2062
Didn't that CIA spook John Ramirez say something about that year too?

I've seen it claimed that the 2027 thing started from Lue Elizondo made a comment about waiting five years, or something like that, which would have been 2027 at the time he made that comment. I think that remark was made in the context of the state of the government in relation to the UFO topic, but I don't remember the exact circumstances.

As far as disclosure is concerned, I think the existence of UFOs and aliens has been clear for a long time now for people willing to do some research. It's pretty much been an open secret for a while, despite all the mockery the topic received for decades. You still see plenty of snarky midwits comparing UFOs to the sasquatch phenomenon as am excise write it off, when chances are they never bothered looking into that topic either. I’m glad that more and more stuff does seem to be coming out and that we have smart people trying to piece together both the nuts-and-bolts and consciousness-related aspects of the phenomenon. If we do make direct contact sometime soon, I hope it all goes well and doesn’t entail anything nightmarish.
>2027
They ran out of 2012s and harmonic convergences?
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>>2061
Also it's padding for 2026 not delivering - string everyone along for another year.
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>>2065
That type of thing is why I'm skeptical when people try to put a date on stuff like this. There have been too many failed predictions in the past. I'd actually like some of the more positively inclined NHIs to step in and twist the arms of the rich and powerful to get them to start reversing the mess we've gotten into, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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>>2066
I should have mentioned that Chris Bledsoe also has that prediction about something big happening this year. He claims it'll either be on Easter or in September. We'll see what happens. I remember how Ross Coulthart claimed that all hell was going to break loose at the beginning of 2025, and nothing happened.
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Ignore your lying eyes, plebs. Donald Menzel said it's just soap bubbles.
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He's right though. And almost certainly about that last bit (no other natural beings). The existence of life is an utter miracle in the first place. God has little reason to create other life on other planets IMHO.
A.  He can already fulfill all his plan right here on Earth.
B.  The universe is an incredibly hostile place.
C.  The distances involved are utterly insurmountable.

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Not that I'm saying there's no illegal aliens ayylmaos here on our planet -- there are. However, they are more-commonly called demons (being fallen angels).

If you care to read a scientifically rigorous treatment of this topic, read "Lights in the Sky & Little Green Men" by Dr. Hugh Ross.
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>A.  He can already fulfill all his plan right here on Earth.
How do we know what God's plans are?
>C.  The distances involved are utterly insurmountable.
I don't consider that to be the case. Even assuming the extraterrestrial hypothesis is true, which I'm not necessarily convinced of (at least in the nuts-and-bolts '50s sci-fi movie sense), they don't need to be showing up on Earth every other Tuesday. We also wouldn't know how long they've been here. If they've been here since the '40s, I think they've probably also been here much longer than that. Even with all the hoaxes and tall tales that newspapers were full of back then, I believe the mystery airship wave of 1896-97 at its core could have very well have had the same origin as the "flying saucer" phenomenon that rose to prominence decades later. They could even predate humanity or maybe even life on this planet. We also don't know where they'd be coming from even if they are extraterrestrials.

I’m not knowledgeable about science or anything though.
>However, they are more-commonly called demons (being fallen angels).
The problem with that is that it's working backwards from a particular religious perspective and trying to fit a wider phenomenon into a narrow category based on the beliefs of ancient people who didn't have the same knowledge available that we do now. I think it's much more likely that the inverse is the case: Concepts like angels and demons are the result of ancient people trying to explain encounters with non-human intelligences from within a specific cultural framework. 

There are also plenty of positive experiences reported among people who allegedly encounter whatever the aliens are to the point where the demon experience doesn't fit. I do think there's manipulation going on in at least some of the cases, but there are still many reports of beings who don't seem the least bit interested in coercion. It seems much simpler to me to believe that there are malevolent beings, benevolent beings, and everything in between while discard the baggage of any particular religious tradition. That's not to say that ancient traditions couldn't be useful as a rough means of trying to determine truth through converging claims across time and space, but I think it’s doubtful that any of those belief systems offers a totally accurate ontology.

I think even modern UFO lore has to be taken with a big grain of salt. The whole topic has been filled with cranks, grifters, hoaxers, and government disinfo and manipulation since the ‘40s. Linda Moulton Howe might be gullible and all, but I think she was right to call the topic a hall of mirrors with a quicksand floor. I still believe there’s ultimately a there there, but we have to look at the phenomenon from a bird’s-eye view and take a fuzzier, more agnostic approach to it and its many facets.
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>>2097
>How do we know what God's plans are?
I presume it was self-evident given my post I mean  the God of the Christian Bible. He's spelled his plans out rather fully. Namely, the putting away of evil, sin, and suffering. Also, the redemption of fallen mankind, in whom He instilled his image.

>I don't consider that to be the case. 
Pics-related.

>We also wouldn't know how long they've been here.
The Bible makes it plain they've been here since at least the garden of Eden. So, ~100kya - 150-ish-kya. I believe other passages outside of Genesis insinuate much, much longer (basically the age of this universe).

>The problem with that is that it's working backwards from a particular religious perspective
No, not really. Simply an appeal to the best explanation. Regardless, inductive reasoning and inference by analogy are commonplace means of human intelligence. All three apply in this case.

>I think even modern UFO lore has to be taken with a big grain of salt. 
Lol, true. In fact all such "lore" needs to be!  :D

>but we have to look at the phenomenon from a bird’s-eye view and take a fuzzier, more agnostic approach to it and its many facets.
Agreed. And that's exactly what this book I recommended to you does. I'll hope you can find a copy (it's currently out of print). Cheers.
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>I presume it was self-evident given my post I mean  the God of the Christian Bible
I think it's a pretty big leap for a god like that to exist though.
>Namely, the putting away of evil, sin, and suffering. Also, the redemption of fallen mankind, in whom He instilled his image.
I don't see why an all-knowing, all-powerful being would be responsible for creating a world where any of those problems exist in the first place.
>Pics-related.
The thing is that we don't know where they're from or whether they have bases in our neighborhood, how long they've been here,  etc. And that's assuming they're classic ETs and not ultraterrestrials, the result of travel or bleedover from another universe or plane of existence, some kind of physicalized emanation of the collective unconscious, or some other explanation. It could also be multiple things at once.
>No, not really. Simply an appeal to the best explanation. Regardless, inductive reasoning and inference by analogy are commonplace means of human intelligence. All three apply in this case.
I just don't think that works given the countless problems with the Biblical texts. Another problem is that they don't seem to fit the bill of solely being malevolent beings. There looks to be a wide spectrum of entities involved. 
>Lol, true. In fact all such "lore" needs to be!  :D
Even "disclosure" would really just entail peeling back a layer of the onion of secrecy unless the gatekeepers are willing to go all the way in spilling the beans. I don’t think that’s going to happen unless they've really got their backs against the wall. Everything else is just going to be some variety of limited hangout.
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>>2099
>I just don't think that works given the countless problems with the Biblical texts.
Au contraire. While mysteries remain in the Bible, please name off all the mysteries that remain elsewhere!  :D

One of the neat things about the intersection of biblical theology and science investigations is that the scope of unknowns keeps shrinking in our camp, while the unanswered questions keeps growing in the materialist's camp. This is exactly what one would expect of course, if the Bible is in fact the accurate records of life, the universe, and everything beyond. Cheers.
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The more advanced saucers are "alive" they apparently remain closed to those who are fearful, but will open to those who are curious and benevolent

There are many beings of Extra terrestrial origin who use such craft. The Pleiadians, the Greys, the Lyrans, the Sirians, the Arcturians, the Andromedans and then there's hybrid species..
There are also reptilians, tall whites, mantis beings and some others. All of these are in some ways interacting with the Earth.

Soon enough it will be known openly in western civilization
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>>2100
>the scope of unknowns keeps shrinking in our camp, while the unanswered questions keeps growing in the materialist's camp.
I definitely agree with that, but I just don't think the Abrahamic religions provide a very convincing alternative unless you're willing to reinterpret everything in an extremely esoteric way where everything is symbolic. My money's on pantheism or something along those lines.
>>2107
I'm a lot less certain than you are, but I do hope some benevolent group of aliens makes contact and can teach us how to get our act together.
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>>2108
>unless you're willing to reinterpret everything in an extremely esoteric way where everything is symbolic.
No. That's just the point: the greater our understanding of biblical theology & science, the fewer & fewer become our unknowns. Those who reject that God (and who care about such things) find their questions outstanding becoming more numerous.

The universe exhibits an unimaginably-high degree of fine-tuning. Measuring and categorizing these amazing """coincidences""" spell out that not only is God real, but only the god described in the Bible actually fits the bill for such a creator of the universe we actually find ourselves in. The fine-tuning essential for human life is staggering. Amazingly, planet Earth actually exhibits it all.

Refer to the "Habitable Zones" table in the file-related, and work through this compendium to gain better insights into this set of facts. Cheers.
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>>2112
None of that stuff requires the existence of Yahweh though. I think there most likely is something you could call God, like a kind of bedrock of reality that everything else emanates from, including more advanced non-human entities, but I think it's a stretch to go from there to a specific god conceived by ancient Jews. Ultimately I believe it's beyond all gods as we tend to understand them.
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>None of that stuff requires the existence of Yahweh though.
>Ultimately I believe it's beyond all gods as we tend to understand them.
Agreed on both points.

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The first is simply that only the Christian religion's triune, three-persons-in-one-essence being can fit the bill: creating a (temporary) place where sin, evil, and suffering can be put away without violating free will!

God the Father's awesome & perfect, complete purview of everyone & everything; guiding everything in perfect holiness & wisdom. God the Son's perfect holiness and obedient humility in sacrificing himself for humanity's salvation (not to mention being the very Creator of our universe). God the Holy Spirit's unfathomable depths & power to uphold all things by his word -- the very transdimensional, transcendent substrate upon which all things rest. Much, much more could be said about all three, but suffice to say only their combination together could pull this magnificent achievement off!  :)

No other religion offers this comprehensive breadth & scope to solve (our...humanity's) basic problems at hand (namely: death, hell, and the grave).

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The second is simply that neither you, nor I, nor any man has fully-grasped the sheer scope and complexity of devising as universe just so (partially-uncovered within the design compendium linked above); as to uphold all the conditions of the Christian God's goals behind his orchestration of this grand rescue operation for us all.
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