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The outdoors is bretty comfy, isnt it ? 
thread for any and all outdoors activities discussions
camping, hiking, fishing.... lets have a good time.
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>>13171 (OP) 
Highly-based thread, OP!

So, one of the key factors to an enjoyable outing into the wilderness is great gear. My apologies if that reality doesn't fit into the indended theme of the thread?

I've bought many different types of gear from various manufacturers over the years. REI seems to be the single best dealer that I've personally worked with here in Burgerland.

I currently have what I consider to be literally the world's greatest cot, a comfy sleeping bag, and I'm currently looking into getting a standalone tent the so-called 'Half Dome 2', a revamp of their 45-year old product.
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Does anyone have good gear recommendations to make?
>>13174
>My apologies in advance*
>>13171 (OP) 
>The outdoors is bretty comfy, isnt it ? 
Sure it is, nice bread idea indeed.
I love to go hiking or just wandering in the wild around my house. As the spring is coming I'm habby in advance to go outside more.

>>13174
>So, one of the key factors to an enjoyable outing into the wilderness is great gear.
Sure, it can quickly make the difference between a pleasant moment in nature and a nightmarish experience, even if you have to be prepared to deal with Mother Nature's vagaries in all circumstances.
I don't have top tier gears because I don't do a lot of outdoor camping but as I plan eventually to do more, I will look for cool stuff.
>>13174
ty <3
perfectly apt.
i dont have much money so ive always been berry frugal with my outdoor gear. ive always preferred a hammock+tarp to a tent. i know rei to be berry berry good. 
making your own stuff is a lot of fun.
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got a chance to explore an abandoned train tunnel and an old house(?) in the woods. bretty cool.
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>>13236
Nice photos.  Any idea what the odd buttress looking thing on the building was? 

>>13174
>gear recommendations to make?
I'm a big fan of the Hill People Gear Tarahumara pack.  It's a fantastic small pack suitable for heavy/abusive use.  I've had mine about a year and have no complaints with it except the tacky name.  It goes with me almost eberrywhere and I switch up its contents as needed.   The pack's small size and rounded contours play berry nicely with rifle slings and help keep it from snagging in tree branches and woody brush.  I really like the shoulder harness system and it gives you huge amounts of adjustability.  The harness had shock cord loops on it originally, but I had no need for them and  they were removed.  The overall construction is top notch. The fabric is all 500D Cordura, the vertical zipper is massive (I believe it is a #10 [~1cm wide]), and all of plastic fasteners and hardware feel great and appear to be ITW.  Inside the single zippered chamber is a hanger for a hydration bladder.  The hanger in mine is fitted with an HDPE insert with a laser cut loop face for weaving or hooking in pouches.  The insert also works nicely as a bed for weaving in shock cord to pin items in place.  The side pockets are sized for 1quart canteens, but larger bottles and tools can be crammed in at the cost of interior space.  On the medial side of the pack there is a full length open-top pocket that is really nice for large plastic bags or other flat items.  I'd like to get a Tegris or Curv organization board to slide in out of this pocket.  I feel that wood be a good way to secure any variety of small items.  The pack is set up to accept additional straps or cords on the outside and comes with cordage on the bottom  and two compression straps.  These can be tightened down to remove all of the shifting of interior items but also work well for holding stuff sacks, smaller bags, and jackets.  I also have a capture flap for use with helmets, shoes, halal Korean instant noodles, etc..  The capture flap is also able to accept woven in or hook and loop pouches.  

More stuff to follow.
>>13241
Looks like a great little pack, Anon! Thanks for the excellent review, I might look into getting one of these at some point. I hope it's easy to clean! I often find myself traipsing about in the rain, from time to time. Cheers.
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>>13244
The shrimplicity keeps it berry easy to clean out.  If wetness is a major concern, the foam padding in the back panel can/will absorb water.  I have never found it to be a meaningful problem in use though. Also, a pack made from a lighter weight fabric (thin nylon ripstop,etc.) will generally dry faster if you are not concerned with puncture and abrasion resistance or overall longevity.
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I think I'm going to go trout fishing tomorrow.  I'll try to take some interesting pictures. 

>>13241
>More stuff to follow.
I am picky with fishing lines and mostly use braids with fluorocarbon or monofilament (only when a floating line is desirable) leaders at this point. I do fish straight braid for some applications though.  These are a few lines I have been using recently. 

>YGK G-Soul SS112
This is an exceptional 8 strand braid. It is a weave of 4 strands of polyethylene and 4 strands of ester filaments. The ester strands raise the density to a specific gravity of 1.12, so the line does not float like typical braids.   This line is incredibly good in terms of fishability.  Over thousands of cast, I have not had any issues with wind knots, etc..  The knot strength has been exceptional, and the line bites berry well into fluorocarbon leaders in FG knots.  I have not noted any issues with abrasion or the line snapping under sudden load. I really like this line for most types of jigs, bladed jigs, spinnerbaits, swimbaits, and bretty much any type of hard bodied lures.  Also, the color is great for visibility.

>Sunline Almight
It's crap. But it is unique crap.  Almight is cored braid with a specific gravity of 1.48, making it, as far as I know, the densest braid.  The line has a core of fluorocarbon with 4 polyethylene strands braided around it. The pink color offers decent visibility.  Nothing I have tried carries feeling back from slow sinking lures as well as Almight.  I believe this is is because the high density helps keep the line from bowing horribly underwater and allows a straighter connection from the rod tip to the hook.   This line works exceptionally well with weightless soft plastics and I like using it for scat style baits, fluke style baits, etc..  The line has some serious downsides though.  It has no shock absorption capability or meaningful abrasion resistance and it occasionally breaks when casting.  I suspect the braid cinches down on the fluorocarbon under load and the line damages itself over time. The line is extremely flexible, and it can knot during casting depending on your rod and reel (which will almost certainly also break the line). Having small/micro eyes on the rod appears to exacerbate this problem as do spinning reel spools with shallow slopes on the forward retaining lip.  

>Gliss Supersmooth Monotex
It's a single strand of polyethylene.  This line feels like tiny dental floss and is extremely supple and slick. Gliss has incredibly low diameter and offers the best casting distance of any line have ever used.  The slickness can lead to knots pulling apart, and the line is fine enough it can potentially slip out of the gap in some hook eyes.  Using it with a leader prevents these issues.   Gliss has so-so abrasion resistance but it is extremely strong.  The line floats, so it is ill suited to using with slow sinking baits in deeper water, but It is perfectly suited to launching small dense lures like panfish jigs long distances.
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>>13236
That looks fun, did it smell good?
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I am outside with a fire. And alcohol. Good times.
>>13355
It's the simple things in life, ehh?
>>13355
Have a nice time anon, Keep it cozy with the alcohol.
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>>13355
I hope you had a nice time.  I decided to do the same.

>>13313
It's been too windy to go fishing.  Maybe tomorrow will work out. Sorry for the enthusiasm, I got carried away.
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>>13362
Better luck next time. Catch a whopper, Anon.

>Sorry for the enthusiasm, I got carried away.
What? No, it's great. We're actually studying fishing lines, etc., as part of our structural research r/n. Your post was informative. Cheers.
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>>13362
Well, as my fire was reaching it's end, it started to rain.  I tried to capture it's final glow.  It felt rather fitting somehow.

>>13363
>We're actually studying fishing lines, etc., as part of our structural research r/n.

Interesting.  What is your field?
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>>13366
>Interesting.  What is your field?
We're roboticists, et al. [1]  The discipline involved with the fishing lines is Tensegrity [2].

And yes, this is a vast and amazingly-interesting interdisciplinary field of studies! Cheers.

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>>13367
Well, I'm just a shrimple hobbyist, but I'll share some thoughts.

I imagine braided fishing lines wood probably be a decent and affordable readily available solution for stiffening some sorts of structures.  It wood be much stronger, cheaper, and more supple than the thin piano wires another anon was suggesting.  I wood sugest only going with 8 strand braids as they have  rounder and more uniform crosections.  As was pointed out in the thread, they wood eventually lengthen some over time, but it wood only be a berry small amount. 

 I wood suspect you wood get too much abrasion from the sugested plastic straws or tube designs mentioned. PE fishing line wood put pressure on a tiny portion of the straw and probably cause a small fracture or cut.  The fracture/cut wood then probably begin wearing and abraiding the line.  Even an undamaged abrupt lip/edge might damage the line.  Despite all of its strength, PE is bretty fragile.  Fishing rods often have slick ceramic inserts (silicon carbide, etc.) in the eyes to accommodate it.  Braid will cut into low qualiy eye materials over time and create notches wich will in turn cut into the line. Also, I believe the line wood be probably be too slick to use with a feed through motorized tensioner with rubbery wheels.  Metal or hard plastic wheels with teeth or knurling wood almost certainly damage it.  I imagine some sort of turnbuckle wood be more appropriate.

I wood also suggest look at flourocarbon lines.  Flourocarbon lines are berry abrasion resistant and tough.  You wood have fewer potential issues with it cutting into other components as well.  Monofiliment (nylon) might also have some appeal.  It is berry stretchy, and might help absorb shocks from things like the robowaifu falling.  It wood obviously stretch out more over time though. A line like the Yo-Zuri copolymer (flourocarbon bonded over nylon) might offer good properties as well.  These lines wood absolutely need replaced faster than a PE braid though.
>>13370
Also, I wood suggest looking into Curv or Tegris as flexible stiffeners.
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I want a job that requires plenty of outside time in isolated wooded areas. Since I can't be a NEET so that wood be the next best thing. I thought of becoming a park ranger for a national park but it seems that department has berry limited openings and the pay is bad, and I don't want to do state parks because those are usually part time with even worse pay.
I used to work at a countryside golf course and loved it because my job specifically required me to avoid people and occasionally roam wooded paths around the course, but the pay was particularly bad.
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>>13370
Best knot for PE lines.  

>>13381
I tried to apply for the NPS for years.  It is incredibly hard to get a job and the pay is horrific. I eventually gave up on it.  Maybe look at logging or something.
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>>13382
I really don't want to cut trees down. Not that I'm some turbo-hippy I just really hate the thought of toppling something that is probably at least 10x older than me just to turn it into receipt paper.
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>>13384
That's understandable, but, generally, forestry doesn't really work that way. Paper is typically made from conifers, birch, etc. specifically planted for the purpose.  Those are harvested bretty young and new ones are planted immediately after.  It's like tree farming almost.

What about landscaping or something?
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>>13387
I've considered that, though I'd have to set up my own business because being an employee for a landscaping company doesn't typically pay well. I'll probably wind up getting into surveying, those guys are always roaming around the woods and I think it's an in demand skill too.
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>>13381
How young or old are you? 
How open are you to doing a couple of years school/training for a trade?
Forestry/mining gigs remain the best, outside of ranger, but most positions for new blood is location based. And is like joining a ship crew. I wood almost say parts deliberry, all round mechanic/helping hand/wrench monkey on the go might be best for you.
It's either that or go military/cop/paramedic. Even 911 dispatcher is a possibility, as they typically have remote positions. Remember attached enlisted because it was the job where he could be outside, work with explosives.
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>>13398
>based True Operator knower
Just look at that fruit salad, will ya'?  :D
Glad to see much high quality activity in my thread, thanks friends <3 
>>13241
the buttress was a walkway to the second floor. didnt take pics but it had many trees and vines. even a wild lemon tree! 
this house cant be that old... building style is more recent than the tunnel by far, maybe 60s to 70s? it even had the remains of a water powered generator wheel and a small (2.5m x 3.5m) concrete pool! 
few signs of human presence inside like remainders of a fireplace and trash. i might camp here? its a few km from a small rural community, and several dozen from the nearest town, so fairly safe.... we will see.
>>13351
 it had good wind flow so it just smelled like fresh forest air.

i wanna go out again soon. spend a few nights out by my own ( embarassing, maybe, but my parents worry...)  ill make sure to tell you. im itching for the outdoors.
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>>13406
> 60s to 70s?
I wood imagine it is much older.  From what little of it can be seen, it's really odd looking.  The doorways, for instance, look irregular and unprofessional.  I woodn't expect to see something like that from something only 50 or 60 years old.
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>>13382
Excellent information! Thanks, Anons.
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>spring hath cometh
>boomer neighbour wants to get rid of these because the fabric was dead
>take it
>sew a piece of tablecloth instead
my body is ready
>>13418
>my body is ready
Fortuna favet animus paratus
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>>13417
I'm glad to have been informative.

>>13418
>tablecloth
Looks comfy but be careful anon. Did you use a rot proof and UV resistant thread?  Don't hurt yourself falling though the seats.
>>13398
I already did a stint in the army, but that was awhile ago and while I had fun I didn't reup because things started getting extremely gay towards the end of my contract, but I'm not going to delve into that. I'm almost 2old2military now anyway. Right now I do welding which is berry limited in terms of being in the woods as you can imagine.
>Forestry 
Maybe, I'll have to do some research on that I don't know how many jobs are available in my area. 
>parts deliberry/mobile mechanic 
Well I do have a class B CDL as a holdover from a previous job, couldn't hurt to go drive around again.
>>13418
>tablecloth 
Well that's one way to go about it. Is the cloth really sturdy enough?
>>13418
Nice job anon, those looks comfy.
>>13397
Surveying sounds fun. I am looking for a job as well, and I hadn't thought about it. I always see these fellas measuring away on their yellow or orange tripods.
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I had a nice afternoon of  tout fishing.  I'll have pictures in a bit.
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>>13450
I only fished for an hour or so.  The spring was high and murky from recent storms and there was a lot of trapped standing water from flooding.  The murky water made it impossible to look for fish, so I gave up bretty quickly.  I caught three trout but only kept one.  I caught all of them on a wacky rigged dropshot worm.
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>>13453
I took some more pictures while I was at the park. Once upon a time the spring was used to power ironworks.  Some of the structures are still standing.  There is also a small fish hatchery and a fish sanctuary where you can feed the trout.
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>>13454
That snake looks like it wood be really freaky to chance upon in the night with a flashlight. Can you go inside that building at all or is it blocked off?
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>>13448
From talking to an anon on another site it seems like you can come across a lot of neat hidden things while surveying, though there's also risk involved because you might come across homeless camps in some remote places. Still seems like it wood be worth it though.
>>13459
>building
You can walk up to it and around it but you can't go inside because it isn't a building; it's a huge furnace that once made pig iron. The wooden parts of the structure that was around it are long gone, but the stone and brick remains are about 60 feet tall.  The hole in the front is where molten iron came out and the stone wall behind it is a retaining wall built into the hillside that wraps around the furnace.  The soil is littered eberrywhere around it with blue-green slag glass byproduct of the furnace.
>snake
I think it's charming. I really like old metal play area equipment; it has a lot of personality.

https://maramecspringpark.com/about-maramec-spring-park/history-of-the-maramec-spring-area/
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>>13462
This is the documentation for registering it as a  national historic site.
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>>13463
>Missouri 
Really beautiful state, I need to make a point of visiting for more than a couple days to really see some of it.
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>>13475
There's a bunch of neat stuff to see.  None of these are my pictures, but these are few places I've been in the last year.
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>>13477
You're not lying about that, I've been to Missouri before but only for like two or thee day stopovers during extended road trips and eberry time I've contemplated saying to hell with it and remaining there. My only concern is how brutal the winters can be, midwest snow and ice is nothing to laugh at.
>cavern pic
Nice, there's a bunch of caverns in my state but they're all on the opposite end of where I live. Something about being in a cavern with dim lighting is peak comfy.
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>winters
It can certainly get cold, but it is normally well above freezing here in winter, at least during the day.  I've never seen it get bellow -12°F where I live.  Snow is not a realy a big deal this far south, but sleet can be dangerous, and freezing rain is an absolute mess. 
>caverns
They are eberrywhere in the karst regions.  There are more than 7,000 known caves.
>>13498
Neat! I grew up in that general region of the country. I expect Mammoth Cave is all part of that same system of caves.
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>>13500
The Ozarks are a separate geological region of tectonic uplift.  Mammoth Cave sits under/is park of the Golconda Formation.
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>>13501
Very interesting, thank you Anon. Is this also exotic terrain rafted in, do you know?
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>>13502
>exotic
lol
>rafted
Absolutely, float trips are a big deal through the Ozarks. There are not a lot of rapids, so it's mostly a slow and meandering affair.  Unfortunately if you go somewhere super busy (say the end of the Meramec River closer to St. Louis on a holiday weekend) you have to deal with obnoxious drunks and meth addicts.
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>>13503
Kek. I was speaking Geology with Geology-sama, Anon.  :D
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>>13462
>I think it's charming. I really like old metal play area equipment; it has a lot of personality.
I agree. Metal and wood equipment should be brought back. The modern stuff is so lame and short on personality.
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>>13477
I've been wanting to visit there for a while. If I ever moved states, it wood probably be to Missouri. It's warmer than where I live, has interesting history and topography, and I don't think it wood be too different on a cultural level.

I think the Missouri Rhineland is the region I'd be most keen on seeing.
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>>13504
Herman is a nice little town.  If you visit, I wood recommend seeing Stone Hill Winery.  It was once the third largest winery in the world before the prohibition crippled it.  I wood also advise traveling down highway 19 to Swiss Meat & Sausage Co.. Further down the river, New Haven and Washington are also bretty comfy and there are a number of quaint little towns across the river like Marthasville, Dutzow, and Augusta.  The Katty Trail runs on the north side of the Missouri and is bretty great if you like bicycling.
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I decided to go tout fishing again today. It doesn't show up well in the picture, but the top one had darker flesh.  This is an indication it had survived longer after being stocked from a hatchery.  Eventually, the flesh wood become a bit orange, almost like a salmon.  Trout that have lived off a natural diet are much better tasting.  I also drank a few Shiner Bocks and took the opportunity to smash the bottles at a recycling center.  Good times.

I replied to the wrong post earlier.
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>>13174
Did you end up getting the REI tent?
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>>13498
I see. To be honest I've only been there twice during the winter and there was a lot of thick ice eberrywhere, I assumed that was a bretty normal thing because of that and because I've been stuck in Wyoming and Iowa because of snow before. Though I guess Wyoming is a different beast entirely because of the WIND.
>>13513
No not yet. OTOH, I'm not ready for an outing just yet in other ways, so it all equals out rn.  :)

Probably in a couple month's time, I'd predict at this point.
>>13511
I see the Katy Trail ends in Henry County. My great grandfather was actually born there. I think his family went there to farm before moving back up north for whatever reason.
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>>13542
I don't visit that part of the state often, except if I go to Truman Reservoir.  Hopefully the trail will be carried on further south someday.
>>13511
I visited not too long ago.

We did a no-phone day, so we navigated by map and didnt look up places to go visit.

I'll have to visit the wineries out there, I only went to a bar lol. Its really bretty out there!

Have you ever been to Serenity Valley?

>>13498
Ive always thought of the winters as relatively tame. It only gets dangerous to drive a handful of times during the winter months
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>>13600
I have not been to Serenity Valey.  I don't personaly find the modern event venue focused type places berry enjoyable.  

The winters are indeed tame, but road ice is definitely a problem in rural areas with gravel and dirt roads that never get treated.  It can't be bladded off and is much worse than snow for driving.
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